Computer Art

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  1. Radthorne

    Radthorne Keeper of the Hikari

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    Greetings! Did we all make it over from the other thread? ;)

    Welcome to the Computer Art thread. This is the successor to the Cover Art and Computer Graphics thread, which was getting rather long to wade through. For those of you new here, this is where I toss up some of my computer art creations for general viewing and feedback. It can also be a place to discuss any aspect of digital art creation that you like, in particular it's use for book covers or other things related to SF and fantasy.

    The old Cover Art thread can make interesting historical reading if you'd like to peruse my progress with the graphics tools from total neophyte to only half neophyte. By the time the thread concluded, I'd posted a lot of pictures in there...

    So, now we'll just carry on over here! And to celebrate a new opening, let's have a picture, shall we? This one is larger than normal, so be patient if it's a slow load. But I figured we needed something nice to open up the new place.

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  2. Hereford Eye

    Hereford Eye Just Another Philistine

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    No point in being nicer in this thread than I was in the old thread, is there?

    I am impresessed with the color and texture of the castle. I like the sense of its hugeness compared to the fop's diminutive nature. I wonder about that circular effect around the center tower. Something magical about to happen?

    I really like the way the dude just happens to glance at the camera. You'd think, in those days - whenever they were - that he'd not be so vain but if you look at all the other clues, you'd know that, yes, he is that vain.
    Look at the way he dresses his horse with all those thousand ringlets on the legs. Must have taken the pages an hour to get them on straight. And the bare midriff! He's riding a mare and the stallions find her belly sexy or he's riding a stallion who's playing peek-a-boo with his essentials. Betcha that horse is sedated to be so calmly accepting all the folderol.
    Look the disrepair of the circular tower crennels. This guy can't waste any time or money on the castle walls; he needs it for his shiny new mail.
    Look at how new the boards on the drawbridge are. He isn't taking any chances with places he might travel.
    If you can keep him looking at the camera, maybe he'll bang his head on the portcullis on his way back in.

    Life's little mystery for today so far: Consider the chains for the draw bridge. Those are heavy bastards! When the serfs start rolling the collectors and the chains start feeding through the wall, why doesn't the stone get eroded into nothingness?

    Nice to see this thread works just like the old one.
     
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    Dazzlinkat Registered User

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    This is a very nice pic. Figures HE would be the first to comment, too. HE's on a roll! The knight is going to the local tourney and needs to be all fancy to get a rich Lady to declare him her champion. (His last hope to keep his castle standing).
     
  4. Radthorne

    Radthorne Keeper of the Hikari

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    I think I like that explanation much better. ;) Thanx, Dazz!
     
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    Your welcome, Rad! :D

    Although, you could start a new line of sex appeal horse apparel. Dang it! HE's ideas are seeping into my mind now ... help!
     
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    Radthorne Keeper of the Hikari

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    I'm sorry, it may be too late. :eek: It appears the infection has spread beyond any hope of recovery...
     
  7. Hereford Eye

    Hereford Eye Just Another Philistine

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    Infection?
    I trust that's just a typo; you all obviously were inspired by the sheer brilliance of my analysis.
     
  8. KatG

    KatG The Bony Hand of Death Staff Member

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    The dude is a king -- hence the crown on his head and the fancy duds. I agree that the horse blanket with the missing middle part and the straps around the horse's legs are a bit weird. The big circular thing behind the tower is one of Kevin's giant moons, and he's gone for the purple sky again, but it's a lovely color effect here.

    I've seen the castle used before, but this picture really shows it off to effect and with striking detail. The heavy chains have not worn away the stone of the wall because the drawbridge has not been raised in years and years (hence the rustiness of the chains you'll notice.) The castle is a ruin and the king is taking a little tour of it. He's looking not at a camera but at the rest of his entourage, who are hoping the king will get tired of the ruin before they completely lose enough light to make their way back. And he's a smart enough king to duck his head when going under the portcullis, though he does so in a kingly manner.
     
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    Radthorne Keeper of the Hikari

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    Glad to see KatG found her way here. She'd managed to get lost over in the old thread... :D

    Can't tell you why the horse's caparison is split in the middle like that. It may have something to do with the fact that it was originally a model of chain mail for the horse, and adapted to look like a fabric caparison. Perhaps mail doesn't work well in between the rider's leg and the horse's flank? Dunno...

    Anyway, must be time for another picture. This one is Anime-inspired, and features HE's favorite self-impaling throne room furniture. And no, none of it makes any logical sense.

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    Hereford Eye Just Another Philistine

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    Yeah! The IT have returned. Nicely positioned hilt, there.
    This particular chair is probably not a throne. I believe it is a convertible rocking chair with the rockers lifted off the floor when not is use. This means the back to the chair is also convertible as a rocker without a back would be hard on the back.
    The hair style intrigues me. It can't be blowin' in the wind as the flames on either side are not affected. There may be a zephyr enhralled to her whose job it is to sit on the back of her neck and blow the hair outwards.
    Or maybe she knows a wizard who invented hair spray just for her.
    The Parisian designers got the word, I see, having now invented low riders.

    But the colors complement each other and her outfit stands out but not glaringly so.
     
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    Nice slip of her bikini top, no wonder it sent HE's mind afire !!

    Methinks, Rad, you just want to see how wildly you can make HE's inner chaos swirl
     
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    KatG The Bony Hand of Death Staff Member

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    I think the basic response to this one would be: ick. Except for the chair, the chair is cool. Why is one breast pointing doward and the other one pointing up?
     
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    Because she has mixed emotions about the guy she's looking at.
     
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    Kat's basic response to nearly all of my Anime-derived pix is "ick" (as well as to any picture featuring a gratuitously large moon). But I know that before I even post 'em... :D

    However, the figure's chest is not, of course, actually going in two directions. This must be another artifact of the viewpoint and the lighting. It underscores an interesting side effect of doing 3D-based art, in that the artist, having seen the model from multiple angles, "knows" what the whole thing looks like. So once the final scene is done, the brain fills in any perceptual gaps. But for viewers who only see the final 2D image, that knowledge isn't there; all they have is the picture to go by. HE's confusion over the roofs in the Asian scene where two ladies are fighting comes to mind: in that picture there were two structures, a gate in the foreground with it's own roof, and a roofed pavilion in the background. The angle of the finished scene made the overlap confusing to someone who had not seen the separate structures from a variety of viewpoints while constructing the scene. That's one good reason for posting things here, so that you guys can point those things out to me.

    As for Anime girl above, ordinarily I would adjust the pose so that the anatomy issue was cleared up. In this case, though, it's tough to do that without screwing up the pose. So I will probably go in with Photoshop and "fill in" the portion of the top that is showing skin; I think that will solve that issue.

    As for the rest of it that Kat finds "ick," well... Let's just say, Dazzlinkat, that I think you're right, it's going to appeal more to HE regardless of any fixes applied... (Loved the rocking chair allusion, HE, by the way, LOL!)
     
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    Radthorne Keeper of the Hikari

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    Ok, I fixed up Anime girl up above and replaced the original image. Amazing what you can do in Photoshop... :)
     
  16. Hereford Eye

    Hereford Eye Just Another Philistine

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    You people who think about serious topics, ignore this post:
    In the age of straight razors, do you suppose young ladies opted for the hot wax treatment or tweezers? I can imagine a lovelorn lass beautifying herself with tweezers, chanting: "he loves me...nhhh!; he loves me not...nnnnhh!"
    Imagine her horror to discover on the last tweak he loves her not.
     
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    My not liking the anime ones so much is usually due to the faces, which are stiff and doll-like, (I'm one of those people who find small talking dolls in horror movies much more scary than big monsters.)

    In this case, though, it was not the face of the model, nor her hair blowing in the magical wind, as HE noted, but her body, which was grotesque and contorted in strange ways. I do not find malnourished, bone-deformed, twisted breast bodies particularly attractive, even if you make them nearly naked and give them a sword.

    Kevin has now fixed her breasts, thank goodness. Now, how about giving her a torso that's wider than her arm? :)
     
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    But, KatG, she is just fine as is ... after all, Olive Oil girls need to feel appreciated, too.
     
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    Radthorne Keeper of the Hikari

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    You see, different strokes for different folks, and all that... But at least Kat did like the chair. ;)

    Well, it being a three day weekend in this neck of the woods, I'm not where my primary computer is. And this computer I'm on now is lacking in A) horsepower and B) requisite software for me to create some new art. It does have Bryce on it (the software I used to create my book covers), but I don't have any models here (and I'm on a dial up connection, so downloading some isn't very practical...) I did create a little piece of funky art in Bryce to post, just to keep things moving, but I can't seem to get the FTP software to cooperate to upload it. So.... Let's just chat for a bit, shall we? I promise some more stuff as soon as I get back to the barn.

    As a topic question... What do you like to see in fantasy art (we know that gothic doll faces are right out, but aside from that...)? Are you partial to action scenes? Creatures? Fairies? Castles? Contemplative? Melancholy? Narrative scenes? Abstract? What attracts your interest when looking at a picture?
     
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    Hereford Eye Just Another Philistine

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    The story.
    Every piece of art has at least a 1,000 words, right? The best art lets you in on what's going on - The Garden of Earthly Delights - or it sets you to wondering what's going on - Whistler's Mother or Mona Lisa or Girl With a Pearl Earing. or The Scream.
    You could do the valley of refuge in BrianC's Rose/Thorn and it would be cool scenery but if you placed Eleanor hiding from Feah, then you have a story. If you haven't read Rose/Thorn, shame on you!
    If you did the approach to Sabakushi or the grand ball room therein and omitted the characters, there would be a story waiting. Of course, you've already done that story. But give me the images and I'd see a different story, as would KatG and the Dazzler.
    I don't know what I like till I see it.