First-time Reader's Journey - Malazan Book of the Fallen

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  1. chris777

    chris777 Registered User

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    First time hearing Anomander Rake talk and that dude is a badass. Hope we get more of of him. He seems like a decent person. At least that's what we are supposed to believe at this point. High in honor and protective of his own and his word. But cross him and he will not bat an eye at cutting you in half and stealing your soul. Let's see if I'm wrong.
     
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    afireinside30x New Member

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    I'm very interested in this. I finally read Gardens after at least three false starts. I'd get about 200 pages in and just move on. Now, even though I did read it I still couldn't tell you what I read. *shrug* Gods, Ascendants, Hounds, Warrens...none of it made sense to me while I was reading that first book. I gave Deadhouse Gates a try and it does seem a lot better in that respect. I didn't stop reading that one out of frustration, at least.

    Recently I read some reviews (spoiler-free) of the Malazan books and it really got me interested in givint them another chance. I'll be keeping an eye on your progress and your thoughts as you go.
     
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    I can see how someone would get bored. I know it's somewhat boring, but it's world building. And I want to know the world right now. So i'm ok with it.

    Gods and Ascendants...they seem to use these words interchangeably. Hounds I thought were Cotillion's power, but that was wrong. He may be their master, but they are their own creature. Warrens...still confused as to what these are. So many questions about them. I'll wait. =)

    One thing I do feel, even now. If they throw any more characters at me I'm going to overload. I'm JUST NOW starting to get the names straight. I'm only on Chapter Nine. Normally I would be reading faster, but lots of real life things keep distracting me. Plus I still don't have that ache to read the next chapter. I can't quite tell if it's because I have other things to do, or if it's not good enough yet, or if Feist's Serpent War burned me out(I wanted to kill myself near the end, doubt I'll read the next trilogy(s)). I'm thinking it's the latter. Maybe I should have taken a week off or something. =o
     
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    Yeah the first time you read the book there are a lot of things that aren't as clear. But its still pretty sweet reading about alot of the fights and battles in the second half of the book. Plus books 2 and 3 are two of the best fantasy books I've read.
     
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    It´s actually very interesting. I recognise a lot of these questions you pose from my first read, although that was more than ten years ago. There will be no straight answers to many of them, some things are just there and you´ll have to use your own imagination all throughout the series.

    But to this day I´ve never read a book or seen a movie so rewarding as The Crippled God. I never wanted to put that one down and I didn´t want to finish it because I didn´t want it to end.

    But reading a Malazan-novel is, for me, done in chunks. A couple of chapters, then a week or so break, then another chunk. It´s not like with other authors where I can read a couple of pages, or chapters, every night. Bakker's the same. I think it might have to do with the events per page-ratio which seems to be much higher for Erikson and Bakker compared to other writers of today.
     
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    After actually finishing Gardens and started Deadhouse Gates, I think I understand what Ascendants and Gods and Warrens are. Ascendants (someone correct me if I'm wrong) are people who are more or less immortal, but do not have a devoted following amongst mortals as Gods do. That's what sets the two apart, I guess. Each God has control over a Warren, which is the realm (?) in which magic exists. Somehow, mages are born with the power to draw from that realm and use the magic in the real world.

    Hounds are still basically a mystery to me though.

    But anyway, I was a lot younger when I was trying to read Gardens the first few times. That probably had something to do with me putting it down a third of the way through over and over again.

    I agree about the characters too, but only because the names are all weird. I don't mind names like Pormqual and Ryllanderas but being introduced to all those names in such quick succession definitely makes keeping them separate in my head a lot tougher. That's something I've always loved and appreciated about A Song of Ice and Fire. I find it very easy to know exactly who he's talking about as soon as I read a name.
     
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    keep reading! keep discussing! This is such an amazing series. There are so many things that one can talk about as well. Its really great.

    I've read the first 9 books by Erikson as well as the first two by ICE. I've really been looking forward to getting a chance to read Crippled God but now you've got me even more amped Imaster. :)
     
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    If you think you have understood Warrens and ascendants, don't get your hopes too high: you'll soon have the Deck of cards thrown at you :D
     
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    Haha...well, when I finally finish my reread of A Song of Ice and Fire, I think I'm gonna pick up Deadhouse Gates again. When I do, I'll be sure to post here with my thoughts and (probably many) questions!
     
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    I am also reading GOTM and am up to chapter 19. It has taken me 2 months to get to this point ans I am normally a voracious reader.

    I have only kept going as many have championed the series and equally as many have said GOTM is a struggle but well worth it.

    So back to it I suppose. :D
     
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    That's exactly the reason I kept at it. Tell me, are you understanding what's going on?
     
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    Yeah, let's hear some more beginner's thoughts. I've not read much since my last post. I don't normally read much over the weekend, unless i find the book amazing. And I don't yet. Hopefully will!
     
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    I've only finished through book 3 so far, but I didn't find GOTM that difficult of a read. Maybe because I'd heard a lot of people found it confusing so I went into it really paying attention to everything. A lot of it doesn't make sense but I realized pretty quick that theres some stuff you just have to file away in the back of your mind. Quite a bit of my questions were answered in book 2.
     
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    It's kind of coming together is all i can say. Book 2 is said to make many things fall into place so i look forward to that.
     
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    I def enjoyed GoTM more when I reread it. I had a better understanding of the world and the implication of things that were happening in the book. I would encourage anyone to finish the book, not just for book 2 but because I at least thought that GoTM had a pretty action packed ending that turned out to be pretty enjoyable.
     
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    Read quite a bit last night & will probably finish it tonight. What's the title of book 2 ?
     
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    deadhouse gates
     
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    I read up to and including SE's book 8, plus ICE's Return of The Crimson Guard and Night of Knives.

    Then I gave up.

    Deadhouse Gates, Memories of Ice and House of Chains were all fantastic and I don't regret reading them at all. After that it all started to get a bit sluggish and tiresome. I found Reaper's Gale and Toll The Hounds so convoluted and turgid they were the last straw for me.

    SE's novel-constructing method seems invariably to have many disparate plot lines that converge at the end in a spectacular clash. In some of his books he keeps the reader's attention throughout and then rewards you handsomely at the end, but the lesser ones come across as a bridge between events and just don't deliver for the effort they take to read.

    By book 8 I decided I wasn't sure if the ultimate conclusion was going to fulfill my expectations or disappoint me, so I stopped reading. I'm waiting for my more persevering friend to finish Crippled God so he can tell me if it's worth it.

    Plus the fact that they keep adding forthcoming Malazan novels to the list made me worried that the reader is never going to have some questions answered and that the authors are going to keep stringing us along in one big money spinner.

    I enjoyed the ICE novels I read. I think his style is more accessible and immediate, but many of the original die-hard SE fans disagree.
     
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    By all means give up if that's how you view it. Authors need contracts to be able to live off their work and continue doing what they love, and they'll keep getting contracts if their books sell. But calling it a big money spinner...we buy and read books, what's the difference between getting these books in the Malazan world or something totally new? And why is not getting all the answers such a bad thing? If you dislike the author, then don't buy his books, which seems to be what you're doing already, so I don't see the big deal.
     
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    While I do appreciate varied opinions of the book(s) as a whole, and if you liked them or not. Let's try and keep this thread to just thoughts and queries about it.

    That Malazan re-read is very good, thanks for that link. I haven't read every chapter, but when I do it is helpful and entertaining.

    I am now a little over halfway through, and they are about ready to attack Darujhistan, and I'm getting into it more I think. Things are coming to a head it seems. I'd like more Rake POV, but I'll deal.

    I did discover one tiny plot hole I thought. And you could surmise that it was Oppon's hand. But Sorry killed the bouncer at that Phoenix Inn. Then forgot to wipe the blade off before putting it back? So everyone saw the blood. Not just a professional assassin. Correct if I'm way off, but the GOD OF ASSASSINS. Rope is more of the assassin, while Shadowthrone is more just the ruler of the Shadow Warren? Really? This guy forgot to cover up his latest kill?