HBO's Game of Thrones (NON-SPOILER THREAD)

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  1. Loerwyn

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    I wonder if what he did last night, i.e. strip The Mountain of everything, was him losing the plot a bit. Was he truly carrying out the King's Justice, or was it his own? Surely what he's done is abuse the King's power to further his own goals, rather than the right ones? Or maybe he sees the Lannisters (And perhaps rightly so) as the cause of a number of issues, and if he rids Westeros of them, perhaps there'll be less problems and fighting between the clans?

    I guess, in an odd way, Ned Stark is actually very naive.

    Edit: I forgot - Tyrion confessing the crimes had me in fits of laughter.
     
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  2. Spears&Buckler

    Spears&Buckler MJ Dusseault

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    Episode 6 was great, and I couldn't help myself so I watched episode 7 on HBO GO yesterday. Even greater. Things are moving along very fast now and I can't get enough. They are doing a wonderful job and any scenes that I find silly or unnecessary are small in the grand scheme of the show. Excellent.

    I second the Tyrion scene. Hilarious. I also like the fact that when Ned is piecing things together they don't reveal his thoughts all at once. They're doing a good job of letting the viewer try to puzzle it out for her/himself. I have a friend at work who hasn't read the books and loves the show and he has figured out a couple of surprising moments to come, but he doesn't have all of his facts straight yet. I'm dying for him to find out so I can TALK ABOUT IT! It's taken everything in me to not say anything.
     
  3. Loerwyn

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    "I stroked my sausage! I made the bald man cry!"

    Oh, Tyrion, you rascal.
     
  4. KatG

    KatG The Bony Hand of Death Staff Member

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    Ned isn't naive, he's just reluctant. The Mountain is the Lannisters' bannerman and their fiercest fighter among the knights. That the Mountain went wild in a village, pillaging and looting, Ned sees as an opening salvo in the Lannisters' plans for war. So if he doesn't move against the Mountain and rein him in, he may be putting himself and Robert at a tactical disadvantage in terms of armed forces, and there will be more slaughter. Even more, if Robert is not seen as protecting the people of Westeros, even from its own nobles, able to deliver the king's justice and provide security, they risk rebellions. Plus, what the Mountain did offends everything Ned lives by, the madness that he joined the original revolution to stop.

    But the Lannisters have not actually declared war yet and Cersei is Robert's queen. The king is broke and the Lannisters are his bankers. So if Ned sends the king's men to go after the Mountain for his crimes, he is declaring a stand against the Lannisters, increasing hostilities and potentially re-opening the rift between him and Robert. He could wait until Robert comes back from hunting, but there are consequences to that, and Ned fears Robert may not pursue justice and Ned's family will be in danger anyway for having angered the Lannisters. So Ned, having been forced to act as Hand by Robert and acting judge that day, decides to make the decision, take the risk and the stand, and hope to get Robert to back him. (Nobody likes the Mountain anyway.)

    Ned's problem is that he is never left with good choices to make. Every way he could chose could bring disaster and so he tends to chose along the lines of his conscience, with an eye to also protecting his family.
     
  5. Loerwyn

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    I'm not disagreeing with any of that, Kat, I'm thinking Ned is naive in that he holds people and decisions to his views of what honour is or isn't, without perhaps realising that politics is as dishonourable as it gets - In order to get anywhere, he needs to stab people in the back, to play dirty and to be as bad as the rest of them. Honour and doing the "right" thing will only get him so far. That's why I think, for all his arrogance, Robert isn't stupid. He knows that people are corrupt and ruinous, and to hold his position as King then he needs to play the game as well as everyone else does - If not better.
     
  6. Loerwyn

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    That was a comparatively uneventful episode, although it wasn't lesser by any means (Assuming we don't factor in Tyrion).

    I didn't expect the end, if I'm honest. It's quite interesting to see where it'll go, but again, I think Ned has dug his own grave. He played his cards too early, and to the wrong people. His honour-bound methods are his weakness, because the game of thrones just doesn't allow for it. I, like many others, did actually spoil it for myself by seeing the blurb for the second book, so I know what'll ultimately happen although the more I watch the show, the less of a shock it'll be. Martin's world doesn't allow room for good guys.

    I think Jon parallels Fitz from Hobb's Farseer Trilogy, especially in today's episode. He doesn't think anything's fair, and he's in such a position simply because he's the bastard get of someone higher up. Yes, he's more privileged and lucky due to it, but he knows little else so of course it's going to be "unfair" to him. It just strikes me that Jon, after what I assume to be months at the Wall, hasn't woken up and realised that he's had things no-one else has had. It took the larger bloke spelling it out for him to realise that he's just been given a boon, not a punishment. It's hard to tell how long, though, because the timey-wimey line is all wibbly-wobbly.

    And that psuedo-lesbian scene was yawn. Oh yay, creepy guy talking to two girls having really bad porn film sex.

    Edit: Post 3000. Eeeeek.
     
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    It's a shame you spoiled it for yourself. I remember reading that scene and the feeling of my stomach just dropping... probably could evoke the same reaction in the show, seeing as the characters all have real "people" attached to them and not just people in my head.


    As for Jon and the storyline, well, in the book Jon's 14 or so (and had had a rougher time at Winterfell than the show makes it seem, thanks to Catelyn being a huge jerk to him), so I think his reaction makes even more sense in that context. In the show he's 17 and probably should be a bit more mature after all his schooling at the wall, but I'm glad they kept the scene in anyway. He still has a bit of growing up to do, definitely. Unlike Fitz (who really did have a pretty unfair life, I thought), he does do so eventually.
     
  8. Loerwyn

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    Or it's Harper Voyager's fault for doing spoilerific blurbs for every book. ;)

    14 and 17? Wow. I'd have said that in the show, he's closer to my age (The grand ol' age of roughly 21-and-a-half). All Jon ever seems to do is whine and moan, have a revelation and become more mature... Only to backtrack and do it all over again. A few episodes ago (Was it the scene where he was nearly beaten until Tyrion rescued him? I think it might have been) we had a very similar situation where it was spelled out for him and he accepted it, and even changed to the point of helping the big guy whose name I don't know, because he didn't have it as hard as he did. Yet again, he's gone back to a self-centered whiny brat with a stick up his backside and the silver spoon taken from his mouth.

    Jon's not had it easy, I think I'd be silly to say he has, but compared to the other recruits? He's privileged, educated, well brought up and mature. All he's done is act like a big spoilt brat, though.
     
  9. Loerwyn

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    Fairly good episode, I reckon. Nice to see the larger guy come into his own, too, rather than just being the butt of jokes.

    I don't really have a lot to say as the episode was rather self-explanatory. I do have a question, though:
    Why was the big possibly-half-giant-man walking around with his gentleman's area out? I'm guessing he had a bath or something?

    Oh, and Joffrey still makes me want to throw up. "Come forward, my lady" actually elicited an "Ew!" from me.
     
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    No expository sex scenes, praise be!
     
  11. Evil Agent

    Evil Agent Saturn Comes Back Around

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    By far the best episode yet... probably because the script was written by the author himself (GRRM will write one script per season). It felt more true to the book than any other episode so far.
     
  12. Loerwyn

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    Tyrion's comment about how he'd like to die was good!

    Oh, that also reminds me. I didn't quite buy him winning over the tribal people. It wasn't Peter Dinklage's fault, more a fault of the scene itself.
     
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    Spears&Buckler MJ Dusseault

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    If I remember correctly, Hodor likes to swim in a pond in the godswood there.
     
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    One of my all time favourite lines from the book.
     
  15. KatG

    KatG The Bony Hand of Death Staff Member

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    The problem with the Hill People scene is that you don't have all the background stuff. Tyrion offers them the chance to take the Vale, which is kind of like offering the British Celts the opportunity to burn all the Romans out of Britain. And since the Lannisters have that rep with the coin and the paying of debts, plus a known large army, the Hill People take him up on the offer provisionally. Once they know who he is, they do a lot of bargaining.
     
  16. Loerwyn

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    I can understand that, Kat, it just didn't come off as too convincing. I'm sure the actors tried their best with it, but it still seemed a little forced.
     
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    KatG The Bony Hand of Death Staff Member

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    Well they were kind of the comic relief in the episode.
     
  18. Loerwyn

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    The jokes were brilliant, again, I'm not disputing that. I'm not actually criticising anything except the direction of that scene. To me, it wasn't a convincing scene. When you compare it to the other scenes in the show, it seemed - bar Tyrion's comments - to be one of the weaker ones.
     
  19. Loerwyn

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    They sure liked the blood this episode, and the death, but I suppose they had to make up for last week's episode.

    Tyrion getting knocked out of the fight was quite funny, and it didn't actually seem that ridiculous. I don't know if he'd truly have been out for that long, but it was a good way to keep him in the fray without truly ruining his character. I think that set of armour he had was pretty cool, too.

    As for Daenerys, I'm guessing she's going into early labour? It can't have been nine months since she first lay with Drogo, can it? And falling over just happened to get her into labour? Huh.

    I'm... At a loss as to Ned's death, though. It didn't impact me as much as I'd hoped, partially due to me being an idiot and accidentally spoiling it for myself, but something about the way the scene was done just didn't work for me. Joffrey was a misogynistic brat, Ned gave in and died a potentially honourless death (I was hoping he'd blurt out the truth, but maybe he didn't to protect his family), and I just didn't think it was the most powerful scene.

    I felt sorry for that pigeon, though. It did nothing wrong.
     
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    That's odd, I knew it was coming and my heart was pounding so hard. I thought the scene was incredibly powerful. A lot more so than it was in the book.