Help with Star Trek

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  1. Willozewisp

    Willozewisp New Member

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    Hi guys,

    I want to dive into the Star Trek TV series.
    Which one should I start with?
    Which one is the best?
    Which order would be the best to watch them all?

    Thanks for your help !
     
  2. DailyRich

    DailyRich Damn fool idealist

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    Watch them in the order they were released.

    Stop after Deep Space Nine.
     
  3. metalprof

    metalprof I should be working

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    I agree with DailyRich, you should just watch them in the order they came out. You don't want to bias yourself against the original series by getting jaded by the slicker look and effects of the later series.

    I like the original and Next Generation best, but there's good and bad about each series. TNG has several episodes that are very powerful, which the original series doesn't really have (the exception being City on the Edge of Forever). On the other hand, the original series was, to me, just "more fun" - and it did have many episodes dealing with relevant social themes, some ham-handed, and others well done. Deep Space 9 has a good long term story arc and a lot more politics in the background. Voyager had ... well, it had boobs. That's about all I can remember about it now :)

    Ken
     
  4. DailyRich

    DailyRich Damn fool idealist

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    Also, steel yourself for the first two seasons of Next Generation. They're pretty rocky, especially the second season, which was hampered by a writers strike and had to use scripts that were laying around from the first attempt to bring the show back to the air (which end up as the first movie).
     
  5. Majuss

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    Not at all, but you can safely skip Voyager. Star Trek Enterprise was quite enjoyable.
     
  6. DailyRich

    DailyRich Damn fool idealist

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    Enterprise irks me on general principle. It's Berman re-writing Trek to make his input the source of everything important in the lore of the show.
     
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    The original series and TNG are by far the best, though DS9 has some good stuff too - it brought a lot of new territory into the Star Trek universe. The first season of the original series gets far more complex after the Menagerie, and the second season is my favourite of the three. TNG seasons 3-7 are great.

    Watch them in order, and do stay away from Voyager and Enterprise, I don't even consider those canon. :X
     
  8. Blacula

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    Voyager has lots of interesting episodes especially in last seasons.

    But yeah the best way to look at it is TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY and then even ENT.

    What I found interesting about "Enterprise" is how they immediately found their "voice" which was not the case in any of the Star Trek spin-offs. Even TNG's first episodes are terrible if not unwatchable. Although they did ruin the "Enterprise" after 2nd season.

    But when it comes to Star Trek movies it's not necessary to watch them but after you watch whole TNG you can watch "The first contact" because there are some references to it in Voyager.
     
  9. DailyRich

    DailyRich Damn fool idealist

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    It is absolutely necessary to watch Wrath of Khan. It's not just a good Trek movie, it's a good movie period.
     
  10. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Live Long & Suffer

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    SF Gourmand

    I started creating a MUST SEE Trek episodes list long ago but people on Trek sites were not interested. They say you must watch everything.

    I think watching the entire original series is only for die hard Trek fans. It is aggravatingly dated unless you can ignore the primitive and cheap TV technology of the 60s and focus on the stories. I tell people I am a sci-fi fan not a Star Trek fan. But these are the original Star Trek episodes that I think anyone trying to get into the franchise should watch:

    ========== Star Trek Original Series ==========

    The Cage
    The 1st pilot, gives an idea what Roddenberry really intended but never aired in its original form until the 80s.

    Where No Man Has Gone Before
    The 2nd pilot, real start of show and not as good as 1st.

    The Menagerie
    Criminal Spock merged with The Cage, Pike used in last movie

    Balance of Terror
    Romulans first introduced

    The Galileo Seven
    Shows Vulcan management style aggravating humans, LOL

    Space Seed
    Kahn, movie prequel and Augments relevant to 2 Enterprise episodes
    Relevant to the real world in that genetic engineering is beginning to be used as in terminator seeds.

    The City on the Edge of Forever
    THE Universally acknowledged Best Original Trek episode

    Amok Time
    Vulcan home world and pon farr, Spock's wife

    Mirror, Mirror
    Mirror universe, used in DS9 & Enterprise, great episode with Mirror Spock

    Journey to Babel
    Spock's parents are introduced.

    The Trouble With Tribbles
    DS9 episode link, a fave episode, Trek humor

    The Ultimate Computer
    demonstrating relevance of sci-fi to reality in technology

    The Enterprise Incident
    demonstrating relevance of sci-fi to reality in politics (Pueblo Incident)

    The Tholian Web
    added to Mirror universe in Enterprise, though I never thought the episode was all that good.

    The Doomsday Machine
    great episode and used in alternate Trek fan series

    So that is 15 out of 78 episode.

    I consider Deep Space 9 to be the best Trek series but that is because it was stolen from JMS' Babylon 5 series which is better than Star Trek. :D :D

    There are good episodes in Voyager and Enterprise but both series did things that ticked me off and made me stop watching while they aired. Voyager had aliens taking over the ship and playing NAZIs on the holodeck. Enterprise had some Xendi TERRORISTS attack Earth that made it too much like 9/11.

    They don't annoy me as much now and I have gone back to watch stuff via the net.

    psik
     
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    Willozewisp New Member

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    Thanks guys !

    I think I'll start with the original series then.
     
  12. Jeroen

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    I suggest you can watch the original Star Trek (TOS) 'till you get the general idea. If you like it, by all means finish it.

    The first two seasons of Star Trek: The Next Generation are not so good, but the later stuff is great! They reinvented the ST universe in those seasons, and the later series built on that.

    ST: DS9 and ST:Voyager further deepen the universe created in the later Next Generation seasons and if you liked Next Gen, you'll probably like DS9 and Voyager.

    ST: Enterprise I would ignore. It is more of the same and not so good.

    As for the movies, there is the general rule that the even numbers are better than the uneven. These are, in my opinion, the good ones:

    Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan
    Star trek IV: The Voyage Home (Nr. III and IV are actually sequels to Wrath of Khan)
    Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country
    Star Trek VIII: First Contact
     
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  13. manephelien

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    Watch it all and make up your own mind. People have such varied preferences that if you listen to someone else, you may end up giving something a miss that you might actually like. Although IMO there are a precious few good episodes in the third season of TOS, and some quite horrid ones, such as Spock's Brain and Turnabout Intruder (bad ep, execrable season finale and quite unforgivable show finale).

    I love Enterprise, even the third season, with the notable exception of the last scenes of the season finale...

    Could a mod please move this topic to Other Media?
     
  14. steve04

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    With reference to your xcellent knowledge of Star Trek, I have query ... awhile ago, there was a episode in which a majority of the view is of the inside of a small spaceship, which had only a light brown interior, walls etc
    The spaceship incharge or the plot maybe involved it destroying planets without consideration.
    I cannot recall which show, and would like your input.
     
  15. psikeyhackr

    psikeyhackr Live Long & Suffer

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    The description makes me think of a shuttlecraft. The episodes with a lot of shuttlecraft time, that I can remember, are:

    • The Galileo Seven
    • The Menagerie I & II (from pilot episode The Cage)
    • The Doomsday Machine
     
  18. winterkill

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    I have to disagree with the advice to watch them in order. I don't think it really matters. Plenty of people got into the franchise with one of the spin-off series and only later (if at all) went back and watched the earlier ones. If you try to force yourself to get through The Original Series first, you might get turned off because frankly it is not for everyone. Not saying it isn't a classic, but older shows, like classic movies, are not everyone's cup of tea.

    The Next Generation is my personal favorite. You will find a lot of partisans for Deep Space 9 too. The biggest difference is that TNG was very episodic; each episode is more or less completely self contained, and it doesn't matter all that much what order you watch them in. DS9 was the opposite. It featured some very long, involved story arcs that you really can't watch out of order. DS9 is also said to be grittier, perhaps a bit less idealistic than the other Trek series. One awesome thing about DS9 was the story of the Federation-Klingon-Dominion war which was really interesting and had the best battle scenes ever in trek. Really cinematic sci-fi. Yes, the war arc was a gimmic to revive a show with sagging ratings but it was well done none the less and made for great entertainment. I personally found the characters on TNG much more compelling and never got attached to any of the DS9 characters the same way I did the crew on TNG.

    Voyager and Enterprise have their fans, but neither one was ever terribly popular. Voyager is just unbearably moralistic. Janeway was insufferable with her stupid decisions designed to show how principled and righteous the Federation was. Enterprise screwed around with Trek continuity a lot, and if you happen to watch it first you'll wonder why hardly any of the species from that (earlier) time period are ever around in the later time periods depicted in the earlier shows.
     
  19. steve04

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    Thanks to everyone for thier replies.

    I have viwed the The Doomday Machine, and The Corbomite Manoeuvre. But neither seem to click.

    Please note that the episode did not have a large Star Trek crew, but only a few people inside a small spaceship.

    The main character is able to hold the attention of the audience, inside this spaceship, not the outer space etc.

    Also this ship has several small rooms, of a light brown color.
     
  20. Steven L Jordan

    Steven L Jordan I like SF. SF is cool.

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    That is not from any episode of Star Trek: The Original Series at all. It sounds like it could possibly be an episode of The Next Generation. But you really haven't given us much to go on, such as a single character that was in it, any aliens involved, etc... and of course you're not sure about the plot either. Can you tell us anything else at all?