Inheritence Cycle

Discussion in 'Fantasy / Horror' started by Kloke, Jul 4, 2008.

  1. Fred Gallney

    Fred Gallney The Writer of Fantasy

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    Sounds like a goal. ;)

    Anyway, I'm off to write Lord of the Blings. Instead of Frodo - sorry, "Dodo" taking a ring to mount Doom, he's going to take some blings to Mount Tomb, with his faithful companion Sammie - not samwise.

    Hehe, I bet thats the sort of thought that went through CP's head when he sat down to write Eragon. Except, it was Star Wars and LotR combined. Wow! A masterpiece this will turn out to be! thought a humble Christopher Paolini. You know, I might not be a good original writer, but I sure am good at ripping off other people's work! he would say to himself. And to this day, Paolini has further honed and perfected his supreme talent of ripping off other people's "precious". :D hehe, i even amused myself writing that. But seriously, Paolini's a great guy - he's just got to learn to create his own "preciouses".
     
  2. Mock

    Mock N/A

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    Hahaha.

    Read some Erikson and Bakker and you'll be blown away not only by how amazing they are as novelists, but also by how terrible Paolini is.
     
  3. mjolnir

    mjolnir Registered User

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    Anthorn: Okay, I'll give you the "parents publishing book first was cheatting" debate, since if they hadn't then noone at Knopf would ever have seen the thing. Still, once it was published the public did speak, and they said "moooooore!!" I just think it's important not to underestimate how successful the series has been, despite it's less than fair publishing history. Besides, as Columbob says, publishing the book made the Paolinis lots of money and presumably also made them very very happy, and that cannot be a bad thing. Hey, if there was no Inheritance the half of the teen reading public that's not drooling zombie-like over Stephenie Meyer's books wouldn't have anything to read this fall.

    I usually don't like coming into a debate and making absolute statements right away, but Eragon is so much better than Eldest it hurts. Derivative as it was, Eragon had a sense of adventure, as well as one or two characters who I thought had a lot of potential. If nothing else Eragon's plot had the story moving from place to place fairly regularly, [and if you think Eragon is a bad quest plot you should go check out David Bilsborough's The Wanderer's Tale from your library and stop ragging on Paolini in areas where he doesn't deserve it. Trust me: Eragon may not be good, but it can get a lot lot worse.] Eldest, though, ... The only thing that makes it readable at all is the broadening of the plot to include a few sections following characters who are not Eragon. Boring train-to-be-the-chosen-one plotline. Bad bad bad romance / infatuation subplot that eventually just gets impossible to read. Horrible confrontation with newly-minted villain that's not led up to at all and comes across as slavish aping of The Empire Strikes Back, [why it ends up looking like this is a spoiler.] And can you say looong? Bleh.

    "Lord of the Blings", ... ha! And, based on past examples, we know where this can get you: You end up reviled by the fantasy category readers, ... whilst sitting atop a heap of gold and gems because the non-category readers love you so.
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  4. Justin2209

    Justin2209 Registered User

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    LOL. Well I just picked up Gardens of the Moon and I started The Darkness That Comes Before but put it down. I was good but I wasn't in the mood for it at the time. I'll certainly pick it up again. I personally feel Paolini is, at best, watered down fantasy and to see what he is a worst, you need only search the forums. :)

    mjolnir: You make some good points. I think I "enjoyed" Eldest more because at the time my exposure to fantasy was limited. It did open up the plot and more happened. It felt more "complex" in that I was some place other than glued to Eragon, but to each there own.

    I find it difficult to label a book. For me, good and bad are relative to the person reading it. If the reader is looking for simple entertainment or is simply younger, then this series may fit. But if the reader is looking for compelling and complex then I would recommend looking else where. But again those are just my opinions from my point of view so they are again relative. The fact that it got young readers to read or possibly introduced a new group of people to fantasy is a good thing. He is new to writing and the genre. I think the last few years have given us a surprising amount of great debut authors (Rothfuss, Abercrombie, Lynch, etc.). He just wasn't one of them.

    Anyway, I'm not one to be argumentative and I'm not trying to come across that way (sorry if I did). I am one of those people that feel that all opinion's carry weight and we don't have to all agree all the time. Diversity is cool. :)

    To answer the original poster more directly (lol), I'm not into them so to speak. I read them and they entertained me at the time. If you are looking for a recommendation I would ask about your exposure to fantasy. If you have much then you may find the books "difficult" (for reasons see the above posts lol).
     
  5. Mock

    Mock N/A

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    I agree with mjolnir; Eragon is way better than Eldest. Eldest was Paolini's attempt at making a long, boring book. He's one of those authors who think it's cool to have a long book just because it's long. And guess what, it worked!

    Justin, both books take a long time to get into, I think. The action in TDTCB only really picks up in the last like 50-100 pages (in my opinion), but for me there was enough intrigue to keep me hooked.

    GOTM was exciting from the outset, but for some reason it just didn't click until page 200 or so.
     
  6. Fred Gallney

    Fred Gallney The Writer of Fantasy

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    You know, Self-Publishing isnt all that bad for a first-time author to get their work out in the world. Also, one significant advantage is that you retain all rights over the book's entire layout, page size, font, cover art, blurb, ect.

    In addition, with each book you sell, you don't just receive 10% of the revenue or so, like you would receive if you were with Tor, Random House, Orbit, ect. Instead, you would get basically the entire sum of money that you generate from selling your books. Sure, you have to promote it yourself, but if you have a good advertising resume, you could really get yourself a head start.

    I think this is basically what the Paolini's wanted.
     
  7. Eventine

    Eventine Uh, Staff Member

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    Apart from the stigma associated with self publishing, the lack of quality control, etc. For every Paolini there's a thousand Robert Staneks...
     
  8. Davis Ashura

    Davis Ashura Would be writer? Sure.

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    The quality of their writing differs in what way?
     
  9. Eventine

    Eventine Uh, Staff Member

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    I was talking to success of marketing rather than quality
     
  10. Stenny

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    I just thought i'd add in here.

    I really enjoyed the books and i never really thought of it as not beng original, but after reading through this i do now see some similarites.

    However i still thoroughly enjoy the books and i am eagerly awaiting the next installment.

    I would also add that the film of eragon was quite awful and should not be compared to the books, it was a massive letdown as it strayed from the original storyline of the book! But, hey, i still love jeremy irons (i always pictured him as brom!)
     
  11. WritersBlock

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    When comparing the film and the book, I find both are pretty accurate.
     
  12. Sirkana

    Sirkana Daughter of the Pilani

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    As do I - Loser #3 coming up. Paolini's books are rip offs, but I will read the others.
     
  13. Xetox

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    I guess I will be Loser #4....I enjoyed them as well and look forward to reading the third.
     
  14. King Bonez Xx

    King Bonez Xx bring back pluto

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    my 6th grade teacher tried to get me into it after seeing me reading robert jordan, but i never got into it. i'd already read some of the before mentioned works and wasn't crazy about the similarities.

    the real question i have is why does amazon group this book and a dance with dragons for preorders????:eek:
     
  15. kingston

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    Has it been mentioned on this board that the series will now be 4 books..not 3?

    'Fat Fantasy', indeed.

    FourthBook
     
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  16. Xetox

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    That is what I have hear.....has he came up with a name for it yet?
     
  17. kingston

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    Don't know for sure, but 'Ka-Ching' would probably fit well :D

    Gotta milk dat cow!!
     
  18. Xetox

    Xetox New Member

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    LOL, its sad I would say he had made enough from the frist two and will make even more on the third, he should have ended it and started something new.

    JMO
     
  19. kingston

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    The trend seems to be: early success---good reviews--more & more bloated followups. The Robert Jordan Legacy.


    BTW Xetox....Is that a 'Madball' that you are using as your image?

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    I bought a bunch of those in the 80's when my son was growing up. It was a fun decade to be a kid...or be a Dad. Laser Tag...Transformers...Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles....early Nintendo. Ah, memories.
     
  20. Xetox

    Xetox New Member

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    No but I do remember Madballs...I think I had a couple myself :) Its just a image that I have edited to make mine. Its what I use on most of my accounts...