John Carter (of Mars)

Discussion in 'Other Media (TV/Film, Comics & Games)' started by JunkMonkey, Jul 15, 2011.

  1. NeonKnight

    NeonKnight Protector of the Realm

    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2002
    Messages:
    447
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    101
    I don't know, seems like this may be worth a look...[​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  2. Michael B

    Michael B Doomfarer

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2004
    Messages:
    438
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I can't see too many little girls being dressed up like her, at least in Britain with the rows of over sexualising children's clothing.
     
  3. Hobbit

    Hobbit Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2001
    Messages:
    11,198
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    173
  4. Michael B

    Michael B Doomfarer

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2004
    Messages:
    438
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Some words from the review:

    > "planetary romance" – that hasn't been popular for well over half a century
    Remember when they stopped making Westerns? Then started again?

    > populated by bizarre creatures
    Lets get rid of the creatire from Narnia and Lord of the Rings as well whilst we are about it.

    > mind of a writer apparently endowed the ungrounded imagination of a small child.
    Kids have great ideas which if we add some romance and sex to them make fantastic stories.

    OK so I don't think that it is going to be the greatest film in the world. Howwver, it looks like being head and shoulders above a lot of the tripe put out today.

    PS A pity the writer did post their name so I would run it through the web to discover what tosh they though was good.
     
  5. Hobbit

    Hobbit Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2001
    Messages:
    11,198
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    173
    My thinking there Michael was that this is a UK national newspaper where the usual response to SF is a lot lot worse.

    Viewed in that context, this is a good review.

    It's not perfect, but it is entertaining and could be a lot worse is the general impression I'm getting here in the UK.

    Mark
     
  6. Loerwyn

    Loerwyn Staff

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2009
    Messages:
    6,209
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    He did, it's at the side. Here's a list of his articles.
     
  7. JunkMonkey

    JunkMonkey Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2007
    Messages:
    1,652
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    73


    Most kids of my acquaintance, mine included have fertile but utterly undisciplined imaginations, their 'Let's Pretend' play is often vastly complicated in detail but very simple in progression - and in this respect ERB is a very childlike writer who sets his characters going through the same sets of hoops and meeting the same situations time and time again with great attention to pointless detail.

    Ferinstance: I've just finished Llana of Gathol and he's always stopping the action to tell us what the time is and how that relates to Jarsoomian (Earth) time -
    Okay, part of that is padding (of which he is a master, "The incomparable Dejah Thoris" takes twice as many words as "My wife" and every opportunity he gets, ERB reels off people's lineage and ranks and titles. And a lot of it is laziness. Llana of Gathol is essentially four near identical shorter stories strung together with a minimum of editing (the same things being described within pages with almost identical phrases). He's not a complex writer. Or even a good one.

    But in general, I'm with the Hobbit. Though, it must be said, The Guardian is more liberally inclined and knowledgeable about SF than most of the UK newspapers. I took that to be a good review. Made me a little less sceptical.
     
  8. FuzionFilmz

    FuzionFilmz Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    24
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I agree, we just have to wait and see. You have to keep in mind that this was ERB's first pro writing gig so the material is a little flimsy. But it is a good rule of thumb to be wary of anything Disney does.

    Mike
     
  9. Michael B

    Michael B Doomfarer

    Joined:
    Dec 21, 2004
    Messages:
    438
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    He does this an awful lot on his Venus series as well. If it was not for Wizard of Venus I would have probably cleared my copies.
     
  10. GoodEyeSniper

    GoodEyeSniper Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 8, 2012
    Messages:
    36
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I like that they didn't even attempt to give this sword anything resembling an edge....
     
  11. saintjon

    saintjon Illustrious Gambler

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2002
    Messages:
    4,471
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I'll give it a shot.
     
  12. JunkMonkey

    JunkMonkey Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2007
    Messages:
    1,652
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Maybe it's on the other side. Like a knife.
     
  13. Loerwyn

    Loerwyn Staff

    Joined:
    Jun 16, 2009
    Messages:
    6,209
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
  14. N. E. White

    N. E. White Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2009
    Messages:
    6,126
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    123
    (shields up)

    I just saw the movie - I liked it! :)

    Yes, it is very Disnefied, and yes, it appears that huge chunks of the story were skipped and whatnot, but because I haven't read the books, it seemed fine to me and a lot of fun. Of course, it was also the first film I ever watched in 3D and that added a lot of fun factor to it. I probably could have watched anything in 3D and I would have thought it was great.

    I'll give it this, it made me interested in reading the book which I will pick up this weekend. So, there. :p
     
  15. Hobbit

    Hobbit Administrator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2001
    Messages:
    11,198
    Likes Received:
    14
    Trophy Points:
    173
    From editor Lou Anders on Facebook:

    and...

    Can't disagree with that, myself.

    Mark
     
  16. FuzionFilmz

    FuzionFilmz Registered User

    Joined:
    Mar 7, 2012
    Messages:
    24
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    Have not seen it yet but still looking forward to it, reviewers, especially for SF films, almost never get it right. Does anyone recall the dreadful reviews Star Wars (A New Hope) got from the NY Times?
     
  17. JunkMonkey

    JunkMonkey Registered User

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2007
    Messages:
    1,652
    Likes Received:
    1
    Trophy Points:
    73
    Yeah - but they were right.
     
  18. N. E. White

    N. E. White Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2009
    Messages:
    6,126
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    123
    :D:D

    JunkMonkey, you never fail to make me laugh.

    Have you seen it? John Carter, I mean.
     
  19. Banger

    Banger Staff

    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2005
    Messages:
    582
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    0
    I don't see what's so dreadful about the NYTimes review of Star Wars (link to review here). The initial reviews for Star Wars were very positive, and the film was even nominated for the Academy Award for Best Picture in 1977.

    I think Anders's analysis is also off. There have been plenty of popular, critically acclaimed science fiction movies that have not been rehashes of Alien or Blade Runner (E.T., Back to the Future, Terminator 1 and 2, Jurassic Park, 12 Monkeys, Star Trek, Rise of the Planet of the Apes, etc.). According to the NYTimes, Disney was hoping that John Carter would be their Avatar.
     
  20. N. E. White

    N. E. White Moderator Staff Member

    Joined:
    Jun 11, 2009
    Messages:
    6,126
    Likes Received:
    12
    Trophy Points:
    123
    Well, they definitely didn't get that right. If I were to rate it, I'd give it 3.5 stars out of 5. It was fun, and that was about it. :)