Quibbles (PROBABLE SPOILERS!! Non-readers, play safe and stay out)

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  1. tragic

    tragic sultan of smug

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    But he's so cute!
     
  2. ginshun

    ginshun Registered User

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    ya... not really. I had both of the same gripes for Ser Loras. The actor, while decent looking, isn't exactly what you'd call handsome, and not the type to make women swoon like he was described in the books. Also the muscle tone comment is spot on. Somebody who has trained in sword and mail every day since he could carry them and who is considered one of the top knights in the 7 kingdom's wouldn't end up all skinny like that actor who plays him.

    I am not happy with Renly being such a wuss either. Squeamish and and scared of blood? Really?

    I also agree with the comments on Winterfell's architecture. It is ridiculous that the northernmost seat of power in the realm would have those huge flat roofs. They get loaded with snow and collapse! Looks more like Sunspear than Winterfell if you ask me.

    While we are griping, the casting of a few characters is pretty questionable in my opinion. Catlyn is the most glaring misstep to me. In the books she is supposed to be approximately what? Early 30's at the oldest and good looking besides. The actress is like 45, and nothing too special at that.
    Renly and Loras are both too skinny and out of shape and not good looking enough. Lysa looked like skin and bones in the last episode, not the plump little woman that she was supposed to be in the books.

    i guess thats it for now.
     
  3. Evil Agent

    Evil Agent Saturn Comes Back Around

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    Wow, people are still going on about this? First of all, Ned is supposed to be 35 in the books but the show has aged him up to 50. Hence, Cat is aged up as well. Also, most people seem to be loving Michelle Fairley's portrayal so far (she brings some sympathy and realism to the character).
     
  4. chris777

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    I said the same exact thing. Ridiculous in my opinion. How is that even acceptable?
    I see a lot of people saying that he's squeamish and scared of blood. I did not get that reaction. He cut him to show him "See this? You're going to see a lot of this. Get used to it." Not because he is scared of seeing it. I thought anyways.

    In this kind of environment and period. One would assume age 35 looks much like our current age 50. Therefore Catlyn being 45 IRL, is acceptable being mid 30s in the show. I think she is doing fine. And she was NEVER touted in the book as being a looker.
     
  5. ginshun

    ginshun Registered User

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    Could be.
    Her being good looking is probably me projecting what I was thinking when I read the books and not necessarily what was said in the books. I am pretty sure that the books say how beautiful Sansa is though, so I guess I pictured Cat being beautiful as well. For what it's worth my wife thought the same thing the first time we saw her.
    I agree, most (all?) of the actors are older than their characters are supposed to be, Catlyn is just the one who stood out the most to me.
    I will concede that the actress is doing a fine job. My issue was more with the casting than the portrayal.
     
  6. DailyRich

    DailyRich Damn fool idealist

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    He was riding a mare that was in heat, which screwed up the Mountain's horse. That's how he was able to win. Besides, with jousting, it's not just how hard you can hit, but where.
     
  7. ginshun

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    Regardless, when we see him with his shirt off in his scene with Renly, he looks like a 100lb weakling, not a knight who has trained everyday of his life with sword and armor.

    Let's not forget, Loras is also a stud in the melee, not just joust. You don't win a melee with a hundred other armored knights without some muscle.
     
  8. Grendel

    Grendel The Hunter Rose Grendel..

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    I have to say that it has been 10 years since I read the 1st three books in the series, and I JUST finished reading GoT and CoK and the homosexuality thing totally passed me by this time. I might have put 2 and 2 together in SoS since there seems to be more implied in that one.

    Here is a good site I found.
    http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/mlarchives/faq/lorasrenly.html

    I only bring it up because at first, I thought this was purely made up when I first saw the episode. I have gay friends and have no problem with the lifestyle, but my first thought was that they were pandering to a gay audience. There was a lot of important groundwork laid in that scene, but I thought they (writers) were just trying to cater to another audience... but it was my mistake. They were definitely gay in the books, I just overlooked it.

    As for Arya being called boy, the people that read the books know what happens later and on TV writers feel they need to establish a precedence so that when she passes as a boy later, it's not such a stretch in the mind of the viewer.

    Thanks for the spoiler lesson!
     
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  9. KatG

    KatG Effulgent Staff Member

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    You put the word SPOILER in all caps between two square brackets [ ] at the start of the text you want to hide. And then you put /SPOILER -- backslash plus all caps for the word -- between two square brackets [ ] at the end of the text you want to hide. The black box should appear.
     
  10. newfiesailor

    newfiesailor Northlander

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    Witness Tyrion's goading of Theon in Ep4 about his "wardship" to the Starks. Ros gives it to him too in Ep5; maybe under Tyrion's influence? Breeding discontent perhaps?

    Just might have implications later on. ;)
     
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  11. NickeeCoco

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    I know I'm a little late in this, but I'm going to comment anyway.

    Since this is set in a more medieval time period, people, at the age of 35 or 30, would look older than people at the age of thirty and 35 do now. Harsher living and lack of medicine does that. I think they look right for the period. I mean, 35 would have been considered getting up there in age. People often died at 40. Because these people are nobles, therefore have a bit better of a lifestyle (Though, often they did tend to eat more meat than the commoners, so they did, at times, become mal-nourished, whereas the commoners ate more vegetables and got more nutrients. . . when they ate.) they might live to 55, maybe even 60. Let's say one of the nobles does live to 55, he's going to look more like 65 or maybe even 70. He'd be considered ancient.
     
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  12. kged

    kged Gloriam Imperator

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    My first GENUINE SERIOUS QUIBBLE -

    Admittedly this is a complaint about the brutal and unrewarding nature of life in general, rather than the show directly, but it has come to my attention that as soon as tonight's episode has aired in the states, US viewers will be able to immediately watch the next episode via the HBO site. This elicits a firm and throaty

    >> WTF <<

    from me. What are they thinking? It's stupid. It's senseless. It's not fair. And it'll screw up websites like our own dear SFFW, too. I hereby call upon all US posters to voluntarily forego the opportunity to get a week ahead, and show solidarity with your international brethren.

    :mad::(
     
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  13. thirstyVan

    thirstyVan the Thirsty

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    Hmletmethinkaboutit...Nope.
     
  14. huskylord

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    My biggest gripe is the under use and downplay of the dire wolves.
    I understand its a fine balance of whether to use CGI, but these direwolves look more cute than dangerous.

    Makes me worry when the dragons do arrive
     
  15. chris777

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    They're puppies right now. Of course they are cute. This is the point in the story they start getting bigger than wolves. So some CGI will be required. I think they are downplayed a lot though. I love the Stark's relationship with the wolves and the show isn't really living up to that. Is that THAT essential to the story? Probably not. We don't really know having not read the last books. So I assume not since GRRM is involved in this production.
     
  16. kged

    kged Gloriam Imperator

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    Does gold really melt that quickly, that easily?
     
  17. DailyRich

    DailyRich Damn fool idealist

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    I'm wondering if the downplaying of certain elements (the other Stark children, the direwolves, etc) are part of a deliberate misdirection so that
    Ned's death comes as more of a shock to first-time viewers. Between the advertising prominently featuring him on the Iron Throne and the fact that Sean Bean is the biggest name in the cast, many newbies are most likely certain he's going to be the lead character going forward. Keeping the show pretty Ned-centric is a good way to really pull the rug out from under them.
     
  18. Luya Sevrein

    Luya Sevrein Humble Grifter

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    Oooo, I love to moan about something I love. 8D Unfortunetly, It's not that long.

    1] Lack of direwolves. I know, I know, cost, blah... HIRE A DOG TRAINER FROM MY COMMUNITY CENTER, SRSLY.

    2] Too much Ros. I thought she was only an early episode exposition prop, but no, SHE LIVES ON.

    3] King's Landing. I have the same gripes. Come Dorne and Mireen and such It'll seem so... indifferent.

    4] Generally I'd like more establishing shots.

    5] More scenes for the little people and general everyday discussion/character interaction.

    6] More exciting fighting wouldn't go a miss, though I am loving Arya/Syrio and the Dothraki.

    7] A longer season! QAQ It's so good!

    I've had no problems with vocab, actually. I always said it 'KKI-' as well, and I'm English. But people always read things differently.

    Oh, and 8] More Addy. Yes, George. Just bring him back.

    ...I know, George.

    ...I don't care George, just bring him back. Loved Addy.
     
  19. kged

    kged Gloriam Imperator

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    A question for any sociologists, economists, demographers etc who may be on the premises. In the rather maligned hunting scene, Renly said that "millions" died in Robert's War. Millions? Really? That seems far more than such a society could support, let alone lose. Am I wrong in this assumption?
     
  20. Luya Sevrein

    Luya Sevrein Humble Grifter

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    I'm not a sociologist, but;

    Here goes.

    Westeros is supposed to be the size of South America, right? Far bigger than England, in any route. That's one way I've heard - the second way is most of Western Europe, either way, bigger.

    Today Millions can equate to one major city and it's districts. In those times, not so much.

    In terms of army sizes - 40,000 Dothraki could pose a threat?

    I seem to remember that someone only had 12,000 men at the Battle of Bosworth. The army sizes discussed for the Seven Kingdoms I don't remember, though. I'm sure Jaime didn't take too many to the Whispering Wood, but then, they did fail...

    Probably just Renly being overly dramatic, though.