Reverend Stover

Discussion in 'Fantasy / Horror' started by orty, Oct 30, 2002.

  1. orty

    orty New Member

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    This will probably hack some of you off but I've got to get it off my chest...I recently bought Stover's "Heroes Die" and now I'm angry. The guy is positivley preachy! He writes page after page of postmodernistic garbage. The story is simply a means to an end--an end that involves making good little satanists and nihilst out of his readers. What makes Stover so possitively unbearable is the fact that he wields his philosophy like a club--beating you across the head with it. My gosh, there is something to be said for being subtle.
     
  2. Sammie

    Sammie The Doctor...

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    Wow! Well you certainly feel very strongly about this, Orty.

    Firstly - no-one is goona be ''hacked off' by you having different opinion from you - as long as you aren't bothered by a few opposing opinions!!

    Personnally, I am gonna start with one disgreement at a time!

    You say ''Heroes Die'' is ''preachy'' - i have to say that this is not something i picked up - exactly what do you think his message is, in this case??
     
  3. Solaar

    Solaar The Good

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    Wow, I've asked for more info on this book and now I'm gonna get two sides arguing over it!!

    Solaar
    will definitely buy it just so he can get an opinion
     
  4. ChrisW

    ChrisW Banned

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    There is a message but it's not the one orty has mentioned. It's pretty obvious really.
     
  5. Ladijen

    Ladijen mistress of pigeons

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    I haven't read any of Stover's work, either--I'll definitely be following this discussion.

    Orty, is the book preachy in, say, the way Ayn Rand is preachy? I mean, where not only is the author's philosophy evident but it is so repetitious that if it was removed the book would be one half the size?
     
  6. Llama

    Llama Registered User

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    Wow, he wants people to be BOTH Satanists AND nihilists? Cool! I totally missed this the first time around. Calls for a reread!
     
  7. Shehzad

    Shehzad High Priest of Cainism

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    And a REVERAND who preaches Satanism and nihilism? Now that's sweet!

    To be honest, I didn't feel that Stover was preachy. In fact I thought he was letting the reader decide. He didn't present a "good" vs 'evil" battle. In that sense maybe he was LESS preachy than others, since he writes more about human emotions than abstract concepts. In essence, he's more a humanist than a nihilist or satanist.
     
  8. estranghero

    estranghero Lord Deceiver

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    Wasn't that more evident in Blade of Tyshalle? I thought Caine's scenes with the Cainites were actually hilarious.

    IMHO Heroes Die wasn't preachy for me since most lectures/ lessons go over my head when I read the 1st time. Sure, there were some ideas posited but the action scenes were the ones that kept my attention.

    Orty: Why do you say he was a Satanist? Nihilist, I can understand why you got that impression. But Satanist?
     
  9. ChrisW

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    er am I the only one that thought that the overall message was against the caste system? That and selfishness pays:D .
     
  10. Shehzad

    Shehzad High Priest of Cainism

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    Yes, but I don't think he was ever in-your-face preachy like, say Rand or Tepper.
     
  11. Solaar

    Solaar The Good

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    Ordered my copy today! But its gonna take two weeks to arrive.

    Anyone know why?

    Solaar
    in the uk
     
  12. Eventine

    Eventine Uh, Staff Member

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    Shipping from the US.

    I recently ordered it here to Oz and it took around 2 - 2.5 weeks. Haven't had a chance to read it yet and see what the hype is about though
     
  13. Solaar

    Solaar The Good

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    Looks like I'm gonna have to bank on this debate to get the gist of it before I get the book.

    Solaar
    resigned to waiting
     
  14. Sammie

    Sammie The Doctor...

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    A-WHOO HOO!! Another one down :D

    Solaar - did you order via amazon? Cos this is what i did - and the 2 weeks is shipping time, cos the book has to come from the states.

    (Irritatingly, this means it is also a very SLIGHTLY different size from all the other books on your shelves............the only way to make your shelves look neat again is to get Shehzad (or insert alternative name here ;)) to recommend you a couple more good books that are only out in the states.......:))

    Edit: In retrospect, the books actually came a lot earlier than they'd said, tho - if that makes you feel any better? :)
     
  15. Solaar

    Solaar The Good

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    Nope, not via internet. You think credit card companies will let me have one?!?! *sigh* thank goodness for bookshops...

    Does indeed.

    But they did say that if I haven't heard from them in two weeks to chase them up!!

    Solaar
    not filled with confidence
     
  16. Sammie

    Sammie The Doctor...

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    Umm - i don't have a credit card!! They let you order on line with a debit card. (Basically, i give them the details of the card i jam in wallbanks, and would guarantee cheques with - if i ever wrote cheques :))
     
  17. Eventine

    Eventine Uh, Staff Member

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    It's such a pain ordering books from the US though.
     
  18. Solaar

    Solaar The Good

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    You know what? I didn't know that! Hey, I could order from Amazon!

    If I hadn't already ordered it...

    Solaar
    says if the store don't get it, Amazon will get my custom!
     
  19. ChrisW

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    Eventine I got my Stover books from a small Brisbane bookstore. Don't know if you have any good bookstores in Wollongong but i'm sure there must be atleast one independant store in Sydney that would take a phone order and mail it to you. If not, I could give you the name of the place in Brisbane.

    Doh just noticed you already have the first one. Oh well.
     
  20. Eventine

    Eventine Uh, Staff Member

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    I bought them both at once Cal - just to save the trouble. Actually, they were pretty cheap and the postage was reasonable as well. One was $15, the other $18, and postage was around 6 bucks. I don't often have to order books though - my local Collins has a pretty decent range.