Sex as usual (yawn)

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  1. kshRox

    kshRox Registered User

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    I have a real issue with hollywood and children.

    Lindsey Lohan was a beautiful talented young lady with nothing but the promise of a fantastic adult career - look what happened to her.

    Hollywood exploits and destroys children with their hollow, value system that strikes some bizarre balance between hedonism and nihilism.

    Bit of a rant I know - but it is just so wrong.
     
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    I think that's perhaps a bit too generalised. I think Hollywood can exploit a child but a large number of child/teen actors have come through relatively unscathed - Dakota Fanning, for example. Her scenes in The Runaways could sometimes be a little... exploitative, but they were supposed to be and they were supposed to make you uncomfortable. Mind you, probably not a "Hollywood" movie anyway.

    It's not just Hollywood that does that, though, it's the music industry too. You can point out singers like Britney Spears and what happened to them.

    And surrounding that, you have this "gossip" culture. You've seen the magazines in supermarkets and shops and stuff. Page after page of gossip, bitching, lying, "oh-mah-glob who does she think she is??", romance-speculation, privacy-invasion and so on. There's hundreds of websites dedicated to it, too. One website I was on collected stories like that and reduced the titles to their simplistic form - an example could be Actress X Has Emotional Reunion In Airport With Her Husband Singer Y And Child Z, and the reduction would be "Woman Gets Off Plane And Cries". Pointless, huh?
     
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    Perspective is a funny thing.
    Dakota Fanning is one I consider exploited to her detriment.

    I remember seeing her in the movie "Push" where she looked about 12 and dressed like a promiscuous young woman in her early 20's. Then she moves on to movies that are sexually explicit and she has to be still in her teens.

    When you are just a kid, and you are already doing that kind of jaded material where do you go from there?

    It's like seductive clothing.
    A woman who drapes her body in seductive clothing is mysterious and erotic.
    A woman who stands before us nude has no secrets left to reveal.

    I believe I'm probably not the only one who saw great promise in a young actress and now has no interest in any movie she would headline.

    As to your point about the music industry - I agree with you 100%.
     
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    Sex and violence are a part of life. I've actually enjoyed several good films with graphic sex and violence in them. Unfortunately, many films and now television shows are masking poor quality writing and production values with excessive sex or violence or both. The level of violence can only be ramped up so far before the audience becomes numbed to it and it no longer serves a purpose. In the lae 1960s the rules for censoring movies changed and with a mere submission to a ratings board a film could be released to mainstream theaters with much higher levels of sex and violence than ever before. In 1969 I left a screening of Easy Rider somewhat shocked but a suprise violent ending that left everyone in the theater shaking as we walked out. I had never seen anything like this before. The problem today is we've all seen this so many times that it's lost its dramatic value and has become rather cartoonish. The same is true for non-pornographic sex (and I'm referring to intent rather than graphic quality). If the sex is intended to portray romance a little goes a long way. If the nudity is intended to be comical or portray shock or surprise, the same it true. I have found that over the years I have missed watching literally thousands of interesting movies. I have been trying to catch up and really don't have a big need for new films if they can't truly offer me a good story and an occasional interesting idea.
     
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    I think there's many kinds of movies/TV shows with sex out there - ones that use sex as a cover for a bad movie are one example. However, I think many movies now simply have sex because it is an interesting topic that can now be uncovered.

    The characters in "I Love Lucy" had sex - how do you think they got their kid? They just didn't have an episode about it because they couldn't due to censorship and values at the time. Modern Family occasionally has sex in it, and it is hilarious and handled well and simply one of the plot elements because now it won't get censored.

    It's just one more thing that can be in a movie - it can't make a bad movie good, but it does add one possible plot element that had to be ignored 50 years ago, so it can make a good movie a little better.
     
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    I concur with you, especially about hrt being exploited to her detriment.
    It really is true... when an actress goes nude, much of her mystery is gone. From that point on, whatever money she spends on clothes, hair, makeup, a personal trainer, etc., is wasted. We've seen the big reveal, and that was the end of it. This phenomena seems to be a vicious cycle w/ career-destroying potential. An actress becomes concerned that she is no longer getting the publicity she had been. So, a la Britney Spears or Janet Jackson, she "accidentally" has a "wardrobe malfunction", or does a nude scene in a movie...ironically, maybe the beginning of the end for her. Jackson really insulted everybody by going on TV, and saying her exposure had been accidental...BIG LIAR!!!
     
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    I really respect Jennifer Lawrence...

    ...for her acting ability, as well as her down-to-earth personality and outlook (if genuine...after all, she is an actress, right?). I just found it strange that an account of, "Winter's Bone", said she was raped in a scene. No, she was beaten up. Big difference. Though glad she did't have to do that, it's weird that Hollywood lies about such things, like, "SEE Jennifer Lawrence getting raped, in, "Winter's Bone! Now in theatres!"
     
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    I think the same thing happened to Natalie Portman.
    She was this huge rising star, then she did this sexually explicit film, Black Swan.

    Now she is still in big productions, Thor, but she's not headlining, she's a supporing actress. I'm not saying its right, I'm just saying it is.

    She's also done some low budget stuff that didn't help her image or career either.
     
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    Natalie Portman was a big-name actor before Black Swan even flopped into theatres.
     
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    Exactly.
    Thats my point.
    I wonder if Black Swan is what torpedoed her career.
     
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    I don't think it had much to do with anything. It's only been, what, a year or so since it released?
     
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    I think it's been almost 2 years, my girls were in 7th grade and now they are starting 9th. Since then she has been in Thor, Your Highness (really strange) and No Strings Attached.

    Your probably right though and her career will bounce back.
     
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    Your Highness was absolute *censored*. But no, it's been a year and a bit since it came out (here, anyway). I was in a job I had last year when it came out.

    I think she does a lot of voice acting too, and judging by her Wikipedia page (Ugh, I feel like some gossip-craving wastrel) she had a child in the middle of last year so it's only natural for her to perhaps step back a little.
     
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    Your Highness was "censored"?
    What do you mean?
    Did they cut it to shreds on the editing floor?

    That would bite.
    I saw part of it on TV, but it was just kinda bizarre so I changed channels.
     
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    No. When I wrote *censored*, I meant I censored my post because the barrage of expletives I would have used to describe that utter waste of time would have got me banned.
     
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    When I think of the madness and decline that has gone on under the guise of cleaning up amurica after the ruination caused by Janet Jackson I am dumbstruck. I have a hard enough time believing anyone cared that it happened, or who did it, or that it happened at all. The fact that it caused the hurricane of silliness that it did astounds me.

    KSH, your point about Natalie Portman is about as pointy as a teabag in the garbage. She did those movies, and then she got married and had kids. At some point she's going to come back with critical and commercial success powering her career like rocket fuel. Anyways, I'm disappointed to come back to the internet and read the inane prattle out of you two.

    People always talk about the good old days before all this wanton sex and violence. I've seen those movies and while they wouldn't necessarily be improved by naked women they wouldn't be harmed by it either.
     
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    What Janet Jackson did was a rude, blatant intrusion into the sanctity of millions of homes where parents are desperately trying to raise young boys to see women as something more than sex objects. Then, to add insult to injury, Jackson lied about it over and over again.
    It often seems to be the case that actresses will do a graphic sex scene in a movie, then announce they are taking off for a while to be a mom. Could it be, that, having had the uncomfortable experience of being displayed naked like a zoo animal, and desire to teach their daughters how to avoid the same temptation? And their young boys how to avoid becoming consumers of media exploiting females who are willing to be exploited?
    I saw, "Your Highness". After, "Black Swan" (which I watched only because Portman and Kunis were in it), I should have first realized how low her self-esteem had sunk.
     
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    Or maybe she did it as a protest against the idea of having to cover up.
     
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    So J. Jackson bared "it"...

    ...in protest against the idea of having to cover "it" up? Then there are many 3rd world countries whose women go flopping about on a daily basis. J. Jackson can go flaunting her wares over there. Of course, there isn't anywhere near the ad revenue in those countries as there is here, right, Janet? If you're gonna use cheap shock value to sell your product, services, or yourself, be prepared as it may just backfire on you. This reminds me of the women in recent news who are walking around bare-chested to assert their right to do so. Disruptive demonstrations have been planned by such women. I say throw all these women in a jail cell along with that protest group of pudgy, 70+ year old men, asserting their right to wear speedos in public.
    In California (surprised?), people asserting their right to appear nude in public had to be told to sit on a towel while dining in restaurants. This reveals the cleanliness and character of such people. Hey, if that nude dude can let it all hang out in the restaurant in which I'm eating, then why can't I bring my Saint Bernard in as my dining companion?
    Let's just face it, folks...the human body, with all it's gristle, dimples, moles, etc., was meant to be covered in public. Just take a look at those celebrity beach-bod issues at your local grocery checkout.
     
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    I'm sorry you feel that way.

    As far as Ms. Portman goes I'm sure she doesn't really care about my assessment of her career one way or the other. My main point was about how hollywood chews up and spits out child stars. I mentioned Portman because she seems to have lost some of her glamour the last couple years but as you pointed out perhaps thats merely due to her domestic schedule.

    As for sex, wanton or not, I'm pretty sure its always been here.
    I think the issue is more the marketing of sex as entertainment for mass comsumption.
     
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