The Day after Tomorrow

Discussion in 'Other Media (TV/Film, Comics & Games)' started by ChrisW, May 27, 2004.

  1. ChrisW

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    I went into this movie thinking I wouldn't like it and was pleasently surprised :) .

    It was a pretty powerful movie imo and well worth a looksee. The one thing I could have done without though was the blatant dig at Bush after the LA storm.

    Also I didn't know the statue of liberty was built so strongly ;) .

    Anyway i'd give it 9 outa 10 on my scale.
     
  2. Dominus

    Dominus Acolyte of Cainism

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    I was thinking about seeing this, now I will if Cal likes it so much.

    Dig at Bush? I could go into a long rant on political/moral messages in films, but I'm tired, and the mods probably wouldn't like it....
     
  3. ChrisW

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    Yeah I there are plenty of films that have political messages etc and the strong enviromental message in this movie didn't bother me but the Bush thing was imo a personal attack and in quite frankly i'm getting sick of it all. It's everywhere!(cept here ofcourse:))


    mb i'm just paranoid.
     
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    Dominus Acolyte of Cainism

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    Well, maybe a little, but I'm fairly certain that view won't be so paranoid in the near future.....
     
  5. Keyoke

    Keyoke King of the Lurkers.

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    I just saw the movie, and while I did enjoy it I do have one major issue.

    Now, I will throw away all scientific mumbo jumbo to the wind to enjoy a movie, and you kinda have to on this one. And, I did love the 'Enviromental' message the movie sent out.

    But..

    My Pick..

    Which really annoys..

    And a Spoiler ahead..

    When they decide to stay in the library, they make the decision to use the books as fuel. HELLO!?!?!??!!? There in the library. Every shot had wooden tables, wooden chairs, wooden desks, wooden floor, wooden doors, wooden book shelves.. And they think they oughta just burn the books? WOOD BURNS! My god, how could they not burn the wood?

    Everything was fine, because, well, it's a movie, it entertains.. but, WOOD BURNS!

    Argh.


    Small note, most likely the people of Canada all survived that major storm. Why? Well, we know that wood burns!

    Keyoke ;)
     
  6. Susan Boulton

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    Perhaps they did not understand that a library had other uses than going in to use the free internet connections? You see they understood wooden chairs were important because you sat on them to watch the TV and play computer games....

    spoiler;

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    I liked the idea that the Royal Family froze ;)
     
  7. Blackwing

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    I had the same thought. Maybe the furniture had been coated with something which would make burning it harder. Or something...

    Hey, did you also know that cold can't come through doors?:p
     
  8. Keyoke

    Keyoke King of the Lurkers.

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    Really? I didn't know that. Why can't it?? Explain it to us, Mr. Science Guy! ;)

    Keyoke
     
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    What about the gap between the door and the floor?
    What if you haven't got a draft excluder? :eek:
     
  10. Blackwing

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    Why, it's not science, sir! It's pure common sense! See, doors are built to keep things out. No matter what the "things" are. ;)
     
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    Unless the door is completely sealed and air tight, cold can easily get through. A wooden door itself can keep out the cold because wood is an insulator but all it takes is a breeze to let in the cold air through the cracks.
     
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    I know that, NeverMore. I live in the Frozen North, Finland. I was just trying to give a break to the film writers.
     
  13. sojourner753

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    I also like the movie.
    I have to say, what intrigued me was the potential for a sequel.

    Probably not a movie though. Perhaps a quality book.

    I was wondering about the political implications of a "once" super power now deposed of its land and resources.

    How would the government rectify this situation. Would the US government eventually move to subjagate the mexican govt?
    Would the Mexican govt eventually attempt to impose its will on the now vulnerable US sovereignty?

    Good questions that may make a decent book.

    IMO
     
  14. TayTootje

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    I liked it, but it wasn't great or anything. The special effect were really cool though!! The overall story wasn't that interresting and kind of old.

    The environmental message was ok i guess, it's just that I don't agree with the cuase for global warming most people warn you about. Doesn't the earth warm up and cool down as it doesn't go around the sun in an equal circle? So you get an ice age and after the coldest peak in that age, it starts warming up again. The last ice age was about 20.000 years ago. So now we are just getting to the point where the earth is getting really warm, after which, I think it will cooldown again. In another couple of (tens of) thousand years people will be going around warning for global freezing :p !! ( If Greenpeace saves it's document carefully, hopefully they too will see the irony :D )
    To set my point I don't think cutting back on toxic fumes and all that sort of things will change the process of global warming much, although ofcourse it's still a worthy cuase to fight for.

    So that's probably why the movie wasn't all that great to me.

    BTW, I think books burn better then wood (the furnished kind anyway). Because it's made from different thin pieces of burnable material, oxygen can easily get between the pages. I'm not sure though, just seems logical to me :confused: .
     
  15. SubZero61992

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    I have to say I disagree Tay.

    If the sun is getting closer to earth every year, then it will increase earth's tempature.
    So once we get close enough to the sun, snow probably want stay on the ground for maybe more than 30 seconds ( opinion of course), but logically when we reach the colder side of the sun it will be impossible for another ice age ( even a scientist who watched the movie and agreed with the ice age impossible thing) due to the fact that the sun will still warm the earth, making the ice melt soon after it gathers.

    Unless something big like somehow an giant meteor somehow manages to knock earth off orbit we may expierence a dramatic tempature change.

    But if every things goes as they are now with the world, I would think that by 2075 earth would be in its 100*F every summer almost eveyr day.

    It really makes me depressed to think about the future of the world, but I say it is not my judgement to determine its fate or future.
     
  16. Hobbit

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    One of the things about Global warming and the greenhouse effect is that there are a number of theories currently being examined. I think the easiest answer is that the complex nature of the problems mean that predicting events and trends are not easy either. We just don't know... which means that TDAT can cherrypick the best bits to make a dramatic film (though parts are, I understand based on current thinking... not much, but bits!).

    For example, there could be warming combined with the return of the Ice Age - as we are in the middle of an interstacial period now (between Ice Ages). It has been argued that the Earth will balance out such changes and that these changes are indeed part of the natural order of these things - we've just not been around long enough to remember the last one!

    Perhaps one of the key events will be the changes to the sea levels (which may rise, may not rise, may rise very suddenly or rise, then slow down!) and the consequential effects on global climates and ocean currents. One of the current thoughts (LOL) here in the UK is that although we could end up with a more Mediterranean-type climate, a change in ocean currents along the west coast of Britain, caused by a change in ocean currents may mean that the warming effect of the Gulf Stream Drift is lost, which will lead to a cooling down of the west coast landmass and the return of Ice... just too many variables.

    You know, SubZ, I'd disagree with that - shouldn't you have a say in how you want the Earth to be in the future?

    Might be worth reading Kim Stanley Robinson's Forty Signs of Rain.

    Hobbit
     
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    This is a bit of a nitpick, but the scientist in my cries out: "No theories of global warming have anything to do with the Earth's distance to the Sun!"

    <begin pedantic scientific lecture mode>

    Yes, the Earth naturally goes through cooling & warming cycles. However, the real question about global warming is if human activity is: a) accelerating, b) decelerating, or c)totally throwing out of whack all of the complex interrelated cycles that go into making our climate.

    The Earth moves around the Sun in an eliptical orbit, completing that orbit once per year. The seasons are not, however, dependant on that orbit, but on the Earth's axial tilt that causes the Northern hemisphere to face towards the sun in their "Summer" and away from the sun in their "Winter," likewise causing the lengthening & shortening of days. Yes, for a part of the year the Earth is farther away from the Sun (at aphelion) or closer to the sun (at perihelion), but the difference is miniscule compared the the 8 lightminutes average distance between us and the sun, and is not the cause of cooling or warming.

    </end pedantic scientific lecture mode> :D
     
  18. TayTootje

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    Oef, lot´s of discussing to do :( :rolleyes:

    Ok here goes: Subzero: but logically when we reach the colder side of the sun it will be impossible for another ice age ( even a scientist who watched the movie and agreed with the ice age impossible thing) due to the fact that the sun will still warm the earth, making the ice melt soon after it gathers.

    I don´t get this, could just be me, not being all that smart and all, but if we get to the COLDER side, won´t the earth get COLDER? So it will be possible for another ice age to ocure.

    Hobbit: For example, there could be warming combined with the return of the Ice Age - as we are in the middle of an interstacial period now (between Ice Ages). It has been argued that the Earth will balance out such changes and that these changes are indeed part of the natural order of these things - we've just not been around long enough to remember the last one!

    This is what I´m trying to say. I probably just described it the wrong way, since my english isn´t all that good and I´m obvious no scientist.(Thnx for explaining it this way Hobbit :) ) Of course there are lots of theories and who knows which one is right. But this is the one I think is most likely.

    Archren: The Earth moves around the Sun in an eliptical orbit, completing that orbit once per year.

    Yes, but this orbid shift a little bit every year, doesn´t it? That´s what causes the change in climate over the years. I think.

    I know there are a lot of different theories, and I have of course no idea which one is the right one. This is what I choose to believe in. I know that humans abusing the earth is partly reason for the greenhouse effect, I just think humans overestimate themselfs, thinking they can cause all these enormous changes in the climate. I heard the toxic fumes that cars produce also come out of the earth in bubbles at certain places ( don´t ask me where ok :confused: ;) ) and these bubbles launche more toxic fumes into the atmosphere in an instant then humans do all year.
    Don´t get me wrong, I am angry about the way some humans use the earth which profides us with almost everything we need to survive. She hasn´t done enough harm to deserve such a treadment. :mad: I myself am very conscious about the environment: I only use public transport, use as little dispossible product as possible, don´t buy fireworks etc. ( In fact I´m a veggie, but that´s a different point ;) . )


    Ok, I think I´ve rambled on long enough now. :D
     
  19. Hobbit

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    And as a counterbalance, Michael Crichton (he of ER and Jurassic Park fame) also tackles the global warming concept (in his latest thriller, State of Fear, out just in time for Christmas, folks!) :D

    Article HERE.

    Hobbit
     
  20. BeardofPants

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    Do you mean "inter-glacial period"? :confused: