The Stupid Question Thread-GRRM [Spoilers]

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  1. kged

    kged Gloriam Imperator

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    :eek: I have a question to ask, and I suspect it's a pretty dumb one - so I thought I'd mitigate the pain of this by offering you, my esteemed colleagues, a thread in which you could do the same. I can't be the only one who seems to have missed something, with material this rich and convoluted. Here's my dopey question:

    Who is Lord Lannister now? Tywin's dead, Jaime is still a sworn Kingsguard and therefore can't inherit, Tyrion damn sure can't inherit (given the circumstances of his father's passing), Lancel's gone a bit strange; is Kevan now holding Casterly Rock? And if so, what does this mean for succession - aren't the Lannisters actually in a terribly vulnerable position here? Even if Kevan has taken the helm, he isn't up to much, and his sons are either potty or young; a few well placed stilettos, and House Lannister could be over and done with...
     
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  2. Zahir al Daoud

    Zahir al Daoud whazzizname

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    According to Martin, there is no Lord Lannister at the moment. Catelyn is Lady Lannister.
     
  3. Evil Agent

    Evil Agent Saturn Comes Back Around

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    You mean Cersei. :)
     
  4. kged

    kged Gloriam Imperator

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    Now that would be a plot twist - I doubt even GRRM could pull that one off!

    How can there be no Lord Lannister, though? Who runs the show in that part of the Kingdom? Who collects taxes, administers justice, defends the coastline, etc? Seems odd...
     
  5. Werthead

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    The bureaucracy attends to the day-to-day running of Casterly Rock, the castellan etc. Cersei is Lady of the Rock. Kevan is outside the line of inheritance until Cersei and all her issue die. I believe the title will pass to Tommen, although if the king can't be lord of another site at the same time, it will pass to Myrcella, I believe.
     
  6. Physics Knight

    Physics Knight Defender of Cononicals

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    I have a stupid question. There has been a few years gap between when I read Storm and when I read Feast, so my memory of everything was foggy. They mention in Feast the Rains of Castamere (sp?) song again, and near the end there is a bard and Jamie asks his name, and it is somehow significant, or something... That just went right over my head. I cannot remember for the life of me what the Rains of Castamere was about, why it galled Lord Tywin, and what was the big deal about this bard. Maybe someone with a memory, or who has read the books over many times can help :) (I'm just waiting for the entire series to be completed before I do my re-read.)
     
  7. Werthead

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    The Rains of Castamere is about House Reyne of Castamere Castle, who was one of two families (the other being the Tarbecks of Tarbeck Hall) sworn to Casterly Rock who didn't bother paying their dues to House Lannister and got away with it because of the weakness of Tywin and Kevan's father. When he was still young, Tywin destroyed both castles and executed the leaders of both families, turning the others into penniless smallfolk. The Rains of Castamere is a tribute to Tywin's ruthless efficiency.

    Edmure Tully hates the song because it was the one playing when the Red Wedding took place and Robb and Catelyn Stark and many of their bannermen were wiped out. The bard at the end of AFFC is the same bard who stole the affections of a woman whom Edmure was chasing after, so his presence really pisses Edmure off. Naturally Jaime does this on purpose (not knowing that the bard is also an agent of the Brotherhood Without Banners).
     
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    Physics Knight Defender of Cononicals

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    Ah, many thanks for clearing that up. So it seems that song pisses off Edmure, not Tywin. What a scrambled memory I have.
     
  9. Posher

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    First off..If Kevan had got his way..he would have been running Casterly as castellan...Which would have made him a sitting lord in all but name..He had a falling out with Cersei..They didn't agree with eachother's terms....Cersei pretty much dropped him after that..So just who is running what is arguable..The most wealthy part of the kingdom? That question is kinda up in the air...and this thread is the perfect place to ask and answer such questions that may or may not be irrelevant.
     
  10. Blackadder

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    Im glad someone already had made a thread like this so I didn't have to do it myself ;).

    I just got a short easy question as it is a language-matter.

    Just to prevent unwanted spoilers, Ive just started on Book 3.

    The question is, what is a "van"? Its described as something with troops in and it is from the Mance Rayder guys up in the north.

    When I heard the word "van" I immediately thought "a van? (car)", but fortunately, Im more than enough into the story to know that they only use cars in Valyria.

    Well, bad jokes aside, I think it is a easy question, so give me the answer, please. :)
     
  11. Werthead

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    Easy. 'Van' is short for 'vanguard', which is the part of the army which will make first contact with the enemy. It is often called the 'leading division' of the army. It can also refer to the leading ship or squadron in a fleet engagement.

    Some generals lead from the van (Robert Baratheon, Robb Stark and Jaime Lannister) as they like to be in the thick of the fighting and inspire their men. Others, like Tywin Lannister, prefer to remain behind the lines and orchestrate the battle.
     
  12. Evil Agent

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    Yes, I always just thought the van was the front of an army, particularly the front of a charge. I used to think it was hilarious in Lord of the Rings, when Tolkien would say something like "Gandalf and Aragorn rode in the van". I would picture thousands of horses charging across an open field, being led by Gandalf driving in a Volkswagen hippie van. :D
     
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    Wow, that is an inspiration, imagine one of those 3' long pipes hanging out the driver's window LOL.
     
  14. Posher

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    Here's one..How long a book will A Dance With Dragons be when it comes out? About the size of A Storm Of Swords maybe? I'd like for it to be or even longer...however Martin has pointed out the problems that come with publishing very large books..A number of times.
     
  15. Werthead

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    A Storm of Swords was 1550-odd manuscript pages, which is beyond the limit that Voyager can publish in one volume and approaching the limit that Bantam can handle. A Game of Thrones and A Feast for Crows were both approximately 1100 MS pages long and A Clash of Kings was around 1200-1300.

    GRRM has already said that he plans for A Dance with Dragons to be about 1200 MS pages, or about the length of ACoK.

    It should be pointed out that other publishers could handle larger books. In the US Tor routinely publish books of that size or larger, and in the UK Pan Books has no problems putting Peter F. Hamilton's monster blockbuster SF novels (five of which have been 1200 pages long or longer) in one volume (although the US publishers have had to split them).
     
  16. Evil Agent

    Evil Agent Saturn Comes Back Around

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    For the record, SoS is one book in North America, but split in 2 in the UK.
     
  17. Kazz Wylde

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    Searched for threads, thought this was as good as any, but can anyone spoiler tag what happened to Tyrion at the end of SOS, I remember most of it, but there is a piece or two missing from my memory.:rolleyes:
    Thank ya kindly
     
  18. Mithfânion

    Mithfânion Lord of the Wild Hunt

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    Spoilers, obviously.

    From wikipedia:

     
  19. Kazz Wylde

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    Thanks Mith, Yeah I could not remember why Tyrion was in prison. The Joffrey thing, lol. He killed Shae too, right? The Wikipedia says strangled her with the Hands necklace, but I didn't remember him finishing her off. Tywin and Shae got what they deserved. Still remember and love that last comment about Tywin and "gold".:cool:
    God, I should reread these.
     
  20. Luya Sevrein

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    Devan is the Warden of the West, as said in one of Jaime's chapters while he waits outside Riverrun. Not Kevan. I beliee Cersei wants to take the Rock once Tommen is old enough to run his own affairs.