> how do you know that gravity really exists? Well you don't. All we got are models that are used to predict it's effects and they work pretty good. I wonder what is meant when someone says 'Electricity exists'. We as a race know enough about nature to build computers but does that imply that electricity exists? > I stand by religion because it can be proven in a different way. I think this site escpecially the thread "Scripture: History or Fantasy?" is evidence enough to prove that proof is a contested word ;-) It is the goal of many to put forth proofs that god exists/ religion makes sense so it is proven and above criticism. Ironically many creationist argue that Darwin just put forth a theory that could be wrong. A theory that can not be falsified is not a good theory. If I say: "The word apple is red" then there is no way to falsify that claim. If I say: "Apples are red" a single green apple will prove me wrong.