Wild Cards

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  1. fluffy bunny

    fluffy bunny Tasty or your money back! Staff Member

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    I was just browsing amazon.co.uk, and as well as noting that book 5 of ASoIaF's due next month, I noticed that GRRM also has his name attibuted to a series of books called 'wild cards.'

    I've read ASoIaF so far, along with Fevre Dream (which I preferred), and was wondering what people thought of Wild Cards. They seem a lot more orientated to 4 colour superhero comic storytelling, and seem like fun. Here's the blurb from book 1

    Has anyone read these? How many volumes are there? Is the series complete? What did people think?
     
  2. Soon Lee

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    There are 12, no 15, no 16. Hang on.

    IIRC the original Wildcards series got up to Volume XII. Then the Wildcards:Cardsharks trilogy came out. More recently, there's "Deuces Down". Oh and there is at least one comic miniseries. You might try Googling it.

    I've got and read all of them except "Deuces Down" and the comic miniseries. GRRM's credit is as editor. Let me explain: Wildcards was conceived as a series of 'mosaic' novels set in an alternate Earth which splits from ours just after WWII. It's a 'shared world' series. When it was good, it was very good but as with all such 'shared world' ideas, it can be very patchy. Conceived as an ongoing series, with writers dropping out and coming in, it's open ended. There are overall arcs though, initially in groups of three e.g Vols. I-III, Vols. IV-VI.

    Mind you, some big names (Roger Zelazny comes to mind) contributed characters and stories. Unlike comic book superheroes, Wildcard characters are played straight, behaving as you'd expect real people to behave, sometimes not nicely. The series combines gritty realism with superheroes. Apparently, it arose from GRRM's roleplaying group which contained several writers. After a while, he was finding that he was expending a lot of creative energy into it so dreamed up the series as a way of getting some financial benefit out of it. It really appeals to me as it was an intersection of several of my interests (roleplaying games, superhero comics and SF/Fantasy).

    Would I recommend it? Yes. It is unlike any other series, highly original. But realise that it's not for everybody. The books bristle with creative energy as writers kept trying to outdo each other. Some times it got a bit silly, like when the time Chris Claremont (famous for his X-men comic writing credits) introduced 'jumpers' who could switch bodies. But there were way cool characters such as 'Lazy Dragon' whose ace was the ability to fold origami animals that came to life.

    iBooks recently published them as fairly pricy trade paperbacks. On the plus side, each one has a new afterword by GRRM recounting his experiences trying to get writers working as a team. The term 'herding cats' comes to mind.

    If you're interested, I suggest sourcing a second-hand copy rather than forking out for the iBooks version.

    Not sure if any of that helps.
     
  3. Soon Lee

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    Looks like I was out of date with my iBooks comment. They've recently begun reprinting the WILDCARDS books as the cheaper mass market paperbacks rather than the trade paperbacks which I still think are pricy.

    At @$5 the mass market paperbacks are definitely worth a go.
     
  4. JonLaidlow

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    Has anyone bought the mass-market paperbacks that ibooks recently reissued? I got the first, as my copies of Wild Cards 1-3 had been lost in a move a while back, but I missed the second and now it looks like it has gone out of print. I can get the old editions easily enough but I want the Martin afterword and the illustrations. Can anyone advise me of the ISBNs? I think they reprinted books 2 and 3 (Aces High and Jokers Wild) before the current confusion with Ibooks took over.

    J
     
  5. Soon Lee

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    The Amazon UK site has it as ISBN: 0743423917

    LINK

    Does this help?
     
  6. JonLaidlow

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    Sort of. That's the trade paperback edition (ie hardback size, but paperback). As I'm replacing books I'd rather get the cheaper mass-market paperback that came out last year. I have the first one in that format, but not the second, which I saw, but didn't buy... I think I've found the right ISBN, but its unavailable, says its hardback...

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos...16019/sr=1-1/ref=sr_1_0_1/202-8691179-8207035
     
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    Well I've bit the bullet and bought replacements via ebay, as they were cheaper. I've found up to book 6, which is all that was published in the UK. I think I'll reread those before I try to find the later volumes, as they're considerably harder to find.

    J
     
  8. PeterWilliam

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    Here I am, raising the dead, but can I get a more recent take on this series. The wiki entry for it shows three additional books out since this thread last saw the light of day. Anybody looked at these? What's the deal?
     
  9. beniowa

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    The three new books are essentially a reboot, featuring the next generation of aces and jokers. The starring roles are mostly new characters with some older ones mostly in cameo and supporting parts. It brings the timeline up into the "current" era with storylines such as a reality show and a new organization of aces working for the United Nations. Another book will be out sometime later this year I believe.

    I've read the first three Wild Cards books plus the the three new ones. I have to admit I really love this series. I'm planning to read all of the books if I can get a hold of them.
     
  10. Seegee

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    There are a few sites devoted to these and George Martin posts about the new ones on his blog regularly.
     
  11. Erfael

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    I've been thinking about this series for quite a while. This thread convinced me to go for it (which I'd have done anyway, just hadn't gotten around to it yet). But does anyone have a line on cost-effective versions of the early books in this series? I'm looking around Amazon and Abebooks, and things aren't pretty.
     
  12. Werthead

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    Tor Books are reprinting the first few books as omnibuses with two or three books per volume, I believe. The first one, with a couple of new stories, is due to be published in late 2010 or early 2011, I believe.

    I know a couple of UK publishers have looked at and decided not to pursue publishing the Wild Cards series, so for the time being we're probably stuck with US imports.
     
  13. PeterWilliam

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    Well, look at that. Bump an old thread and Wert-Claus brings Christmas early.

    Omnibus? For both of us?
     
  14. Bastard

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    I just ordered Wild Cards 1, which just go republished with some new stories.
    http://www.amazon.com/Wild-Cards-I-..._0_main?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1291909647&sr=1-1

    My question is, does anyone has any further news of what Tor's plans are for the series, in particular with the early books? Which books do they plan on re-releasing?

    From what I can see, they're not releasing Omnibuses... just updated versions of what has already been published. Some clarification would be appreciated.
     
  15. Werthead

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    The original thought was omnibuses, but it appears that Tor decided to go with single-volume releases instead, which is potentially a little silly (they could have packed three books into one omnibus edition with no problem) since they have 16 books to catch up on.

    At the moment Tor are reprinting the first three and looking at how they do. If they do well, the rest will follow. UK publishers are keeping an eye on how they sell and may follow suit.
     
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    Anybody else find it funny that the above statement was written 6 1/2 years ago?
     
  17. Roland 85

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    I have been thinking of jumping into this series, so I was wondering if anybody knows anything about the reprints of the original books. I have ordered the first one, but I see nothing about the next.

    Also, as much as I'd like to, I just know I won't be able to go through the whole series before I lose interest, so I was wondering if jumping from the first to the new ones would mean missing a lot of refferences?
     
  18. Bastard

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    I think the info a couple of posts above this one is as good as we're going to get for the time being.
     
  19. Marian Perera

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    I'm slightly biased because the series has a Sri Lankan character, and I'm originally from Sri Lanka. Even though he's relatively minor, I have never before seen any such character in speculative fiction.

    But I also like the grittiness of the story and the fact that there are so many mutations which are simply useless or ineffective.
     
  20. Sonja Ravenscroft

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    I haven't read past the first 2 or 3-not because I didn't want to, but just didn't get time. It certainly is something different, and some good writing and creativity-I agree about "outdoing" one another and got a bit much, but what I read was certainly creative.