X-men 3 the last stand (possible spoliers!)

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  1. ifaznu

    ifaznu Bad speller

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    HEy guys I just watched X-men 3

    I was entertained but disappointed.

    I thought the characters became more archetypal. The film lacked the emotional depth and character development that the other films had.

    The action was predictable and kind of silly

    The whole thing was just a superficial whiz bang spectacular.

    I wish Bryan singer would have been in on this one.


    He was really starting to get it right by X-2

    People complain about the lack of action in the previous films.

    i guess it really comes down to why you were into the x-men in the first place.

    The cool characters and the dynamics between the personalities?
    The powers and fights?
    The social political ramifications of being a mutant?

    I thought a good balance of all these things were in x-2

    X-3 was just too dumbed down and cliche



    It makes me sad


    I don't want this to be a precedent to making a few good films, then putting out trash on the momentum built up from a quality start. (comic book films that is.)

    Hope they maintain the quality of the spider man flicks
     
  2. Priestvyrce

    Priestvyrce Registered as What?

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    Just saw a few hours ago and am highly disappointed and frustrated at the whole trilogy.

    Why? Well, for a lack of a better word, the trilogy and this movie especially had no heart. What I mean by 'No Heart" is that the one piece that always made the X-men the X-Men is missing. The sense of family and the utter mis-use and abuse of my favorite character Cyclops/Scott Summers.

    For me, Scott was always the heart of the X-men, it might have been Xavier's Dream, but Scott was its soul. In the movies though, we have a Cyclops that shows No leadership skills, no charisma and the supposed love that he has with Jean has barely a pulse.

    The dialogue in the movie between Jean and Logan/Wolverine would have been better spoken by Scott. In fact as the movie ran, I pictured the dialogue between Jean and Logan being spoken by Scott. It fit much better.

    Without Scott and truely showing what type of hero that he is/was totally ruined the trilogy for me. The first two focused on Wolverine and Xavier and Magneto and I could accpet this; because I was waiting for this third one. And what do we get? Characters going through the paces with exceptions to the Storm and Beast characters. They were actually entertaining and true to their comic forms.

    Even with some of the spectacular fight scenes and some fun cameos, the movie was flat and dare I say, boring. I was kind of rooting for Magneto and his Brotherhood throughout the movie. Again, it had to do with heart and the X-men really didn't have any. The passion between Jean and Logan seemed forced, like the writer's thought that this what everyone wanted in Movie-goer land. It just came off as trite and awkward and incredibly unbelievable, at least to me.

    Yes, X-Men: The Last Stand will make its money, but it won't make it into my heart.
     
  3. thefalcon

    thefalcon Who Watches the Watchmen?

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    Oh, dear..........

    I got hooked on X-Men after the first movie....which I thought was Excellent. I thought that it was one of the best movies that I've seen in a long time. For this reason, I was wary of X2, thinking that it would be a bad sequel. It wasn't. So, it was with high hopes that I walked into the Movie theater this Saturday to see X3.
    Those Hopes were shattered almost immediatly.
    Of course, I knew that there was a new Director, but I thought, "How bad can it be?"
    I was about to find out.
    The main point of X3 seemed to be a pathetic attempt to live up to the preceeding two movies, with a little (LITTLE) plot on the side. I must admit, I was looking foreward to seeing Beast and Angel....who ended up being pretty much detail characters. Things started going downhill pretty fast-I loathe flashbacks. The dialogue and acting was forced and fake-sounding.....except For Ian McKellan, who is always good, even when the rest of the movie sucks :) I was almost relieved when they FINALY got to the battle at the end. For a movie with a running time of about an hour and a half, it seemed REALLY long.
    And then, they set up for a sequel.
    If they DO ever make X4, they had better get Mr. Singer back to Direct.
    I'm not sure who directed X3, but he needs to spend some time in solitary confinement thinking about all the bad things he's done to this movie.
     
  4. Ouroboros

    Ouroboros Give me liberty!

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    If an X4 happens, I somehow can't see Singer returning. It would be a step back for him, after having left the X-men mythos to direct the Superman Returns movie. Likewise, there's the issue of how many of the star-studded cast would want to reprise their roles. They already had trouble getting the likes of Halle Berry and Famke Jannsen back for this one (and I'm even more surprised that Ian McKellen signed on again).

    What I could see happening is a spin-off movie, perhaps with some of the younger cast like Pacquin, who has expressed an interest in doing another one.
     
  5. Priestvyrce

    Priestvyrce Registered as What?

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    Brett Ratner, who directed "Rush Hour" and "Red Dragon" both adequate movies, but nothing earth shattering.
     
  6. Evil Agent

    Evil Agent Saturn Comes Back Around

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    I'm surprised no one has mentioned this yet:

    I'm pretty sure it's already confirmed that the next movie will be a PREQUEL, based only on the character of WOLVERINE.

    Anyway, I'm really disappointed to hear how bad X3 is. This wasn't a perfect franchise, but it was one of the better comic book ones. I will still see it, probably this week, but I'm not expecting very much.
     
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  7. Ouroboros

    Ouroboros Give me liberty!

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    Evil Agent,

    I don't think you'll find that X3 is really bad ... The consensus, as far as I can see, is that it mainly falls down when held to the high standards of the previous two movies.
     
  8. sic's mom

    sic's mom I want to be a princess

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    X-Men

    Ok so who has seen the movie? I really enjoyed it, but I know that if I was a really huge fan of the comics I would take exception with a lot that happened in this movie. And even though this is supposed to be the last one I think I can say they left it wide open. I have heard they are talking about maybe doing a movie on just Wolverine. Where he came from and how he got the way he is. So how did everyone like the movie?
     
  9. sic's mom

    sic's mom I want to be a princess

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    Ok, never mind found the discussion in TV and Films. Still to early for me. Better get another cup of coffee.

    [MOD EDIT: LOL. I have moved the thread to Film & TV and merged it with the present discussion on X Men 3, sic's mom. :) Hobbit]
     
  10. Evil Agent

    Evil Agent Saturn Comes Back Around

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    X3 was really good.

    I don't know if its because I lowered my expectations... But I just saw X-Men 3, and I really enjoyed the movie. In fact, I think it might have even been the best one. Yet another reason to stop putting any faith in movie critics.

    I know a lot of reviews say that the new director is not as good, and that the departure of Bryan Singer hurt the X-Men series. But I'm not so sure. I always found the first two X-Men films to be a little slow, with too many boring and cheesy moments, and not enough action. For a series about mutants with superpowers, the movies were defnitely a little lacking in the super-department. I enjoyed both films, but always felt they were a little stiff, overlong, and dragged in parts. Sort of like the first two Harry Potter films.

    This 3rd X-Men film is both A) shorter, and B) more action packed, which are big improvements. It is also darker. And contrary to some reviews, I don't think this was done at the expense of character and story. There were many powerful moments in the film, regarding Jean, Cyclops, and other characters, perhaps the most powerful moments in the series thus far.

    Beast was cool. Juggernaut was funny. Storm was less annoying than usual. Plus, as always, Patrick Stewart and (especially) Ian McKellen were fabulous. Magneto is the man. I had heard this was definitely the final X-Men film, which is why I was quite surprised by the ending which leaves the door open...

    Oh yeah, best Stan Lee cameo I've seen so far (including Spiderman, Hulk, etc.)

    Lastly, did anyone stay until the end of the credits? If not, you missed out!
     
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    First let me say that I'm not a comic book reader. I enjoyed the first movie, thought the second was weak and X3 was awful.

    There is little story here, and what there is makes little sense. Too many characters, too many deaths and too predictable.

    Priestvyrce you said Scott/Cyclops was the soul...I didn't get that at all. All he did in the first two movies was whine and complain. (I guess you are basing that on the comics?)

    I was left with a few glaring questions

    1> Juggernaut - Can someone explain how he got out of the floor? The movie said once moving he couldn't be stopped, yet the girl stopped him and trapped him in the floor. He had no momentum, so no power.(He did have the best line in the film however.)

    2> What is the point/power of Beast? - Seems like he was Wolverine with blue hair and a suit.

    I think Singer should have stayed with Xmen, he had a feel for the characters and storyline...and Superman looks really bad. I also don't think we need a Wolverine movie, since he was the star (other then Magneto) of these three.
     
  12. Evil Agent

    Evil Agent Saturn Comes Back Around

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    I disagree. The new characters were great. But what happened to Nightcrawler?? I was disappointed not to see him.

    I agree, that was a bit strange. But I don't think it was his momentum power, I think it had to be his mutant strength... he just busted out of the floor.
    I didn't read much of the comics either, but I know that Beast always looked like a blue Wolverine. I think he is just a well loved character that was due for an appearance in the films. He kicks ass as a fighter, and he's also their link to the White House. I liked him.
    I think I agree with you here. Although the second trailer I saw was a tiny bit better, I still don't know about this. I'm not a big Superman fan, for some reason.
    You don't think we need a Wolverine movie, because he and Magneto were already the stars. But did you know: They are apparently making a Wolvering and a Magento spin off!
     
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  13. ArthurFrayn

    ArthurFrayn the puppet master

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    A popular character in an ensemble cast of a financially successful franchise played pitch perfect by a charismatic actor who admits publicly he wants to participate in the spinoff project that will make his character the star of yet another franchise.
    No point in doing any movies there. ;)

    In addition to that and the Magneto film, there's talk of a Storm spinoff as well.
     
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  14. saintjon

    saintjon Illustrious Gambler

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    I saw it last night, there were some things I didn't like, this new dude doesn't have gift for the creepy/quirkiness like Bryan Singer. Overall I enjoyed it though.

    X-men run buck-wild on some random trash mutants for awhile, my BOY Iceman finally gets to shine a bit, and you've gotta love watching Juggernaut go apesh!t on everybody.

    Which leads me to say how brilliant is a character like Wolverine in a story like this? With that healing factor you get to see every single whoever go full tilt on him with their powers, he feels every last inch of pain from it, heals, kills them and moves on to the next pain delivery. It's just such a great way to showcase everybody else's powers IMO.

    Oh yeah I think the only beneficial side to Beast's powers is that he's like damn strong and really agile. On top of that he's comic-book-genius Jones, he's one of the more entertaining walking contradictions out there IMO. No healing factor or claws though ;)
     
  15. Evil Agent

    Evil Agent Saturn Comes Back Around

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    This does worry me. Mainly because I hate Halle Berry, and I don't think she's nearly as attractive as most people say she is.

    On the other hand, she wasn't as bad in X-3 as she was before. If they made the script really good, I guess a Storm movie might be okay.

    Actually, that could be really cool if they make all 3 of those spin offs. It would be like a 2nd X-Men trilogy, a trilogy of stand-alone stories; Storm, Wolverine, Magneto.
     
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    I said - Too many characters, too many deaths and too predictable.

    Evil Agent - I disagree. The new characters were great. But what happened to Nightcrawler??


    What I ment was there were so many mutants that since I'm not a comic book reader I didn't know who they were. All the evil brotherhood mutants, the porcupine guy and his girls, the speed freak who was fighting storm, ect.

    As for Nightcrawler, FOX declined to pick up Alan Cumming's option and decided not to include Nightcrawler.

    ArthurFrayn - Of course braindead Hollywood will do it, but other than money, what would be the point? If a Prequel, they can't have Wolverine know any more than he did in the first film, and the comic book fan's know his origin story, and would be upset if they changed it. (which you know they would). Marvel, DC and the indepent comics all have so many character's that I, personally don't see what a sequel for the character could bring, other than the aformentioned money.

    I have not seen anything about a Storm movie, but did see today that Emma Frost might get a movie.
     
  17. moira___

    moira___ S T O P that !

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    *gasp*:eek: i know!!!!
    even if they didnt include him they could have at least made some excuse as to why he was not so much as mentioned.
    on second thoughts that could be just as lame as not mentioning him at all

    final battle scene
    storm:gee we could really use that teleporter guy now to just appear behind magneto and jab him with the cure...
    wolverine: mmm...its a shame he decided to go back to the munich circus!

    lame-o!


    one more thing to say, if the professors alive and magnetos getting his powers back...was there a point to this movie?? i mean except for the fac that cyclops and jean died and wolverine got heartbroken. dont get me wrong i enjoyed the mindless entertainment provided by it but now it just seems stupid!
     
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    i liked the movie but it's quite disappointing....
     
  19. Zahir al Daoud

    Zahir al Daoud whazzizname

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    I liked it. The movie was fun. My big problem was the dialogue, which was in general cheesy and clunky at best. My second problem was that the president was a figure of very little charisma--not even as much as Jimmy Carter or George Bush (1 or 2). Then there was the plot hole just how Angel got to Alcatraz in time. He can fly, sure, but not as fast as a supersonic jet!

    Then there was the zero-personality of Colossus. It is one of the hallmarks of really fine storytelling, IMO, that minor characters sometimes come to life. Colossus remained a cyper, as did Angel's father really.

    My other complaint is very subtle. There was just little less care given to details (like dialogue). One was the make-up. For the first time, Mystique's make-up looked like make-up. Likewise Beast was lacking some small touch of realism that Nightcrawler, for example, did have.

    However, in general it was a good movie. A fun movie. Not as good as the first two but better than the vast majority of superhero flicks. Nightcrawler was missed, but after all he was a circus performer not a would-be hero. And I understand Alan Cummings flatly refused to wear the makeup again. Can't say I blame him.

    The explanation of Phoenix was fine, albeit thin. Certainly beat out the whole idea of bringing in the Shiar Empire et al. The nod to the Sentinels at the top was fun. I do like how it was set up for another sequel.
     
  20. saintjon

    saintjon Illustrious Gambler

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    I dunno about that man, if the makeup was good enough for one movie just who is he trying to impress by playing TC about wearing it a second time?

    Personally I thought the more embarassing side of the character was by far his accent, which was totally on him.