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Do you like/dislike the winterking,Arkan? (spoilers for the riddle)



piglover4551
December 31st, 2006, 10:58 PM
no. that makes sense, its in his nature to be that way, in a way, but as ive said before (or i think i have:confused: :rolleyes: :D )ardina is also elemental, but she seems to beable to control herself prefectly fine

spring
January 1st, 2007, 06:11 AM
no. that makes sense, its in his nature to be that way, in a way, but as ive said before (or i think i have:confused: :rolleyes: :D )ardina is also elemental, but she seems to beable to control herself prefectly fine


i understand what mean about how ardina seems to be able to control herself well:D but i wonder what is in it for ardina?. she obviously has something to gain.

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Dena
January 1st, 2007, 03:32 PM
I don't think the Elidhu can be chained down by homosexuality or heterosexuality, or even be bi-sexual...He may have indeed loved Nelsor, but has it ever been said that he loved him in a sexual way? I don't recall ever hearing that.

Interesting point. While the Elidhu are clearly described as amoral, they are never described as asexual, whether in deed or in physical form. You state that the love he had for Nelsor may have been brotherly love, but the term "lover" does not imply a brotherly sort of love. It implies what we have been discussing, sexual love (of course, consummate love, yes, passionate, etc. There are other things that are entailed and often lead to sexual love, but it's part of the package nonetheless, and the word lover, as I have seen it, has always been used to imply that sort of relationship). The kind of love that might lure Arkan to give Nelsor the Treesong would be a more passionate, impulsive love than simple brotherly affection, or even a deep friendship. Something that betrays his very nature and his Elidhu brethren like that would have to be deeper, and a lover is someone who touches your very soul.

So, I disagree with you on that point, and that's my reason. I still hold that Arkan is bisexual, or transsexual to some degree (as in, at one time he may have been gay and then decided he liked women more, I don't know xD).

The question was asked about Ardina being bi or les, but there is no indication from the books that she is. Just because one Elidhu's temperament and personality leads them that direction would not necessarily mean that another's would. I think she loved what's his name, way back, and never fully got over that.

Anyway. Arkan is a very interesting character. He certainly plays his part in Maerad's destiny well, and teaches her not to be afraid of love, although she makes the choice to leave. The important thing is that she learned many things she needed to know through her trek across the mountains, and her stay in his "castle," or mind. Without the whole Cadvan thing and her being on her own, she never would have learned that.

spring
January 1st, 2007, 03:43 PM
Anyway. Arkan is a very interesting character. He certainly plays his part in Maerad's destiny well, and teaches her not to be afraid of love, although she makes the choice to leave. The important thing is that she learned many things she needed to know through her trek across the mountains, and her stay in his "castle," or mind. Without the whole Cadvan thing and her being on her own, she never would have learned that.


i agree that maerad needed that separation to find out what she needed:D

Dena
January 1st, 2007, 03:46 PM
It's kind of like when you are out on your own for the first time, and you suddenly start realizing, what the heck!? My parents were so right! Oh man. and all that. Cadvan had told her many of the things that happened to her, and the ideas that sprung to her, but until she experienced them for herself, she would not entirely trust them.

Ree123
January 1st, 2007, 03:49 PM
yeah, it did have to happen, but it was still sad. Arkan was still wrong to keep her locked up then blame her for leaving.

spring
January 1st, 2007, 03:49 PM
LOL:D

thats so write. is like when someone tells you the troubles of life but you don't listen and understand until you have gone through them yourself.

Dena
January 1st, 2007, 03:53 PM
exactly. I think that's what Alison was getting at with the whole escapade. Made me so sad though, I cried. I literally CRIED. And then I sped ahead in pages just to see if he came back, and then, when satisfied that he would, I read all the way till the end. :D

I also like the idea that someone (can't remember who) presented about Arkan embodying winter. That's exactly what I think too. But I don't think that all Elidhu represent some sort of season. There are too many, or will be if another appears. There are 3 males that we know of, and 1 female. And possibly more, which would mean there would have to be more seasons xD Arkan is volatile and cold, and yet there is beauty in his palace. There is a certain enchantment about his dwelling that captivates Maerad and makes her want to stay, not just because of her love for him.

Ree123
January 1st, 2007, 04:06 PM
that is a beautiful thought *daydream*

spring
January 1st, 2007, 04:07 PM
exactly. I think that's what Alison was getting at with the whole escapade. Made me so sad though, I cried. I literally CRIED. And then I sped ahead in pages just to see if he came back, and then, when satisfied that he would, I read all the way till the end. :D


thats how i felt as well:D

i went to the back and was relieved:D

 

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