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Do you like/dislike the winterking,Arkan? (spoilers for the riddle)



Eyes of Wolf
April 20th, 2008, 03:28 AM
Yes, but in a hypothetical sense, Edil-Amarandh being a fantasy world (NOOOO! I admitted it!), the cold and snow could die. Just because we have no concept of everything that is cold ceasing to be, doesn't mean it couldn't. The whole of Edil-Amarandh could become a huge Turbansk (i.e, warm all year round).:mad: I love skiing and skating, and I am good at it.:mad: That, however, doesn't stop me being argumentative and contrary. I won't dismiss the possibility of Arkan dying.:)

Sirkana
April 20th, 2008, 10:26 AM
For someone who lives forever, he seems rather limited in the cognitive, and ignorant. Unable to transcend and see the bigger picture.

He does see the bigger picture, and is arrogant about it - perhaps this is his downfall.

He is also unable to control his anger. Anger, being one of the strongest human emotions that there is. He knows of love, yet he treats the one he wants for his queen as if she is prey, up until the point that she is actually in his palace. He was the reason she was nearly killed, more than just once. himself.

I do not think he knows of love, just lust/passion. His anger is that of a storm or the stormdog - impartial, without real rationality. He can't percieve the world as humans do. Ardina can because she really, truly loved. Arkan just feels impartially fascinated and attracted to powerful humans.
I wonder if he misses Nelsor, or his other lovers?

I agree with you, Jennistar.

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Pellinorfan11
April 20th, 2008, 11:19 AM
Wow, Sirkana you should be a psychologist that was an amazing study of Eldiu behavior

roberth
April 20th, 2008, 12:50 PM
Wishmaster
Tl;dr (too long, didint read)

Well, ok, i read a little bit of it, but i think your slightly off the mark with the whole child in a cnady store thing

I think he feels ashamed that it was his love that lost the treesong originally, and so he seeks to distance himself from humans

However, alot of your arguement (what i read) was pretty good, its just that one statement i would disagree on

Icelands
April 20th, 2008, 08:57 PM
Yes, but in a hypothetical sense, Edil-Amarandh being a fantasy world (NOOOO! I admitted it!), the cold and snow could die. Just because we have no concept of everything that is cold ceasing to be, doesn't mean it couldn't. The whole of Edil-Amarandh could become a huge Turbansk (i.e, warm all year round).:mad: I love skiing and skating, and I am good at it.:mad: That, however, doesn't stop me being argumentative and contrary. I won't dismiss the possibility of Arkan dying.:)

Well, it's fantasy, sure, but the way Alison has written it is that it takes place before humans but on the same Earth we live on. So it's governed by the same laws of physics and such, and it revolved around the same Sun and had the same seasons.

He does see the bigger picture, and is arrogant about it - perhaps this is his dowfall.



I do not think he knows of love, just lust/passion. His anger is that of a storm or the stormdog - impartial, without real rationality. He can't percieve the world as humans do.


I agree. :) Just as I said in an earlier post:

(direct quote, LOL)

He may feel desire, as the wind desires to search and the ice desires to freeze, but he does not love. He is not selfish, but he exists for himself, just as anything that exists does.

Ingu
April 22nd, 2008, 05:59 AM
I agree with... who do I agree with? So many posts... >.< Jennistar and Sirkana. :)


I felt Arkan is really very detached from the real 'the human' world, he is confident in his power, and feels above the normal humans. He see's the world more as a fascinating drama than anything, and he doesn't feel that the moral constraints, these 'concepts' of good and evil really apply to him. His mentality is like that of a God, and that's the way he acts, his actions are based on impulse, passion, and really, however he's feeling at the time. He does as he likes, and deals with consequences only when it matters.

Ardina... is like a sorrowful mother. While Arkan detaches himself from the world, and rules in his Ice Palace alone, Ardina decides to rule over Rachida, a beautful land, though just as detached, has people living inside... She protects her children however she can, but doesn't feel able to truly expose herself to the outside world... to her it doesn't matter.

They're really the same, empty creatures only working from their basic instincts. They don't plague themselves with petty emotions like humans do, maybe they can't feel, or maybe they've just lived too long for it to matter anymore...

Eyes of Wolf
April 22nd, 2008, 03:36 PM
True. I forgot.:p

As Ingu says, Ardina and Arkan are the same kind of thing. So just because Ardina acts romantic, and good, she may be just as rotten as Arkan inside, acting on self-preservation. Or vise versa, as in Arkan being good.

Savendia
April 22nd, 2008, 03:41 PM
I feel like the Elidhu are almost beyond good and evil. They are observers but good and evil are human ideas. Killing something does not nessecarilly strike them as "evil," and saving something does not mean to them "good." It is just the way of life.

Sirkana
April 22nd, 2008, 04:04 PM
But they will do a lot to gain power. They are beings of power - that is why Sharma could bribe Arkan. Also, they seem attracted to powerful humans.

Jennistar
April 23rd, 2008, 06:36 AM
I do not think he knows of love, just lust/passion. His anger is that of a storm or the stormdog - impartial, without real rationality. He can't percieve the world as humans do. Ardina can because she really, truly loved. Arkan just feels impartially fascinated and attracted to powerful humans.
I wonder if he misses Nelsor, or his other lovers?


He speaks of Sharma with bitterness, and he certainly remembered Nelsor when he was speaking the Song to Maerad (it says somewhere he was 'wrapped in a fair memory' or something...), so he does remember them...And I think he feels something still for Nelsor, and probably for Sharma tho he is bitter. I wonder if he really did have a thing with Sharma? I don't think it says anywhere for certain.
And yes, he's irrational. Out of control in a way. He does what he wants and knows that he can do what he wants, ergo he is powerful and dangerous (and attractive to Maerad because she craves freedom herself - ooh, I wonder if I've hit on something there?!) :D

 

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