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juzzza
August 16th, 2006, 05:37 AM
The following thread started out as a discussion in the 'Post your progress' thread, and covers the controversial topic of authors self-promoting at discussion forums. On the one hand, publishers and agents urge new authors to get their presence and their name (and the name of their books) out there on the World Wide Web...

To spam or not to spam, that is the question...

Some forums, such as this one, have rules against spam however, more importantly, what are the members' views on authors turning up simply to pimp their work?

roberteggleton
August 16th, 2006, 05:50 AM
I recommend that you govern enthusiasm. I got and still have too much, especially since I'm trying to contribute to a worthy cause. Consequently, I've made lots of mistakes with self-promotion, but, on the other hand, lots of positive results also. Again, good luck!

juzzza
August 16th, 2006, 06:02 AM
I don't think people should govern ethusiasm... just their behaviour.

I'm all for self-promotion, it's when it becomes shameless self-promotion, where every interaction becomes a 'sell' when things get tiresome. I just completed a thesis on publishing, which touched on this very subject and included a fascinating focus group with consumers and published authors and their thoughts on authors self-promoting... it's the very reason I met my publisher in the first place and they are VERY aware of my thoughts on the subject and what I expect...

:D

Rocket Sheep
August 16th, 2006, 07:53 AM
What do you expect?

juzzza
August 16th, 2006, 08:17 AM
A relationship, good communication, hard work and to sell nowhere near the amount of books that you have sold!

Actually, it isn't about what I expect at all, that was a poor choice of words... it's what my thesis proved to be true (depending upon your interpretation of the results)... and it gives publishers a good insight into the postmodern genre consumer and how they like to be treated and what doesn't work.

Is that the answer you were looking for, or did you want a 'no brown M&Ms' rockstar rant?

roberteggleton
August 16th, 2006, 04:57 PM
I'm a novice and still learning. My master's is in social work and I never had to promote any of my prior works. I just turned in close drafts and others took care of the rest.

Rocket Sheep
August 16th, 2006, 06:13 PM
A relationship, good communication...

:eek: That's a bit ambitious!

Optimutt
August 16th, 2006, 08:43 PM
I've never gotten around to do a study of any kind relating to the publishing world, and soon I'll be in the market for agents, publishers and the like. What kinds of things has your thesis turned up, Juzza? More specifically, how much and what kinds of self-promotion should a writer provide?

roberteggleton
August 16th, 2006, 09:29 PM
but, if you read my satirical essay, the mistakes with self-promotion become apparent. In my opinion, and I hope I don't get into even more trouble here, there is institutionalized resistance to unknown authors who compete for attention within a diminishing SF/F marketplace made stale by a trend toward instant gratification fueled by the proliferation of video, movies, CDs, new technologies, etc.

The proportion of people who read anything for fun is rapidly declining, unless it's online and interactive. Therein also lay predators -- bullies -- marginally accomplished who want to downgrade self-promotion of creative arts, or even worthwhile causes, as SPAM!

Due to self-interests propadanda, such posts are sometimes treated by conditioned youth the same as ones advertising fake Viagra. Unlike seasoned owners, some internet mods and admins have yet to achieve the wisdom of public service as a marketing strategy. I don't intend this comment as support for capitalistist intellectual exploitation -- it's a matter of sophistication. Internet marketing has not yet evolved to the place where profit and heart strings are tied, like so many traditional companies have accomplished, including ones that are fraudulent.

Get ready for bumps. In my opinion, if you are not bashed on and banned from a few sites, your self-promotion is weak. Without self-promotion, your art, regardless of quality, will be never be recognized by today's authority. I don't care how many "workshops" you attend, traditional routes to art appreciation are dead. So, in my opinion, is proper protocol. Face it. If you've got something worth noticing in any field and have no connections, again in my opinion, it has no chance of large scale appreciation, culturally sad, even by your friends and family, unless you fight the machine.

The real accomplishment is that if you fight and win, that you do not become part of the machine you defeated.

MrBF1V3
August 16th, 2006, 11:04 PM
... are you telling me you are entitled to free advertising?

Yes, some times you get it, but it's not a right.

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