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saintjon
October 31st, 2006, 08:14 PM
You know it's been stewing for months now and I've just gotta say, screw this whole blue-ray dvd thing. It just seems like a hogwild cash grab to me, I've never heard ANYONE say, you know, the visual quality of this dvd is rather poor, I can barely count the hairs on Will Farrell's naked ass.

I say down with the whole thing. If one dollar is one vote I'm NOT voting to have to repurchase a decent movie collection.

kater
November 1st, 2006, 06:42 AM
Seems to happen fairly regular of late, VHS lasts ages then DVD comes along and now HD-DVD and Blu-Ray follow relatively soon after. I'm sticking with DVD, I honestly couldn't care less about extra detail.

musick
November 1st, 2006, 07:22 AM
HD DVD is the way to go, Blue ray is going to be really bad if they (sony) dont find a better polymer for the disks.

With these technologies DVD will eventually become obsolete, tho there will be dual format machines built. These new formats are designed asmuch for games (bigger market than movies now) as it is for movies. 40+ gigs of data on a disk is pretty cool, and though the picture quality is only going to be slightly more vibrant it opens the door for many more technologies. Imagine watching a lotr battle scene with 3d camera control for instance, not to mention all the other cool stuff in r&d.

saintjon
November 1st, 2006, 08:32 AM
Well with dvds they had different camera angles available but I only ever heard of porn directors to take advantage of such a thing.

The theaters are going to make all kinds of bad noise about anything that puts the hom game over them, I can't see them not pressuring the hell out of studios to NOT take advantage of such an edge.

Whatever I'm going to find a dvd player that will last 20 years or so and by the tim that bastard breaks down everything will be available for purchase on the net anyways.

saintjon
November 1st, 2006, 08:45 AM
Imagine watching a lotr battle scene with 3d camera control for instance, not to mention all the other cool stuff in r&d.

The more I imagine it the more horrible it sounds. We're headed for a generation of lazy-ass directors indeed if we're supposed to work out the camera angles now. Just to expound on your example a little imagine this little discussion: "Hey man did you catch the part where Eowyn killed the Witch King?"
"No, I accidentally locked my camera on some goblins who ran away and missed the whole damn thing."

This is symptomatic of the kind of thing I hate. It's like going to a concert and having the musician make the audience sing every single chorus. No Nelly Furtado I did not pay to come here so I could hear US sing.

Or Subway vs. Quizno's. Give me Quizno's every time. They have chefs who work out good combinations of different things and you trust them, instead of grab-assing around and making yourself the same sub every time.

Anyways, if 3d camera control is the wave of the future I guess it's just too damn bad for all of us that never did like RTS games.

I should've called this thread Sucks to the Future I guess.

musick
November 1st, 2006, 09:29 AM
The more I imagine it the more horrible it sounds. We're headed for a generation of lazy-ass directors indeed if we're supposed to work out the camera angles now. Just to expound on your example a little imagine this little discussion: "Hey man did you catch the part where Eowyn killed the Witch King?"
"No, I accidentally locked my camera on some goblins who ran away and missed the whole damn thing."

This is symptomatic of the kind of thing I hate. It's like going to a concert and having the musician make the audience sing every single chorus. No Nelly Furtado I did not pay to come here so I could hear US sing.

Or Subway vs. Quizno's. Give me Quizno's every time. They have chefs who work out good combinations of different things and you trust them, instead of grab-assing around and making yourself the same sub every time.

Anyways, if 3d camera control is the wave of the future I guess it's just too damn bad for all of us that never did like RTS games.

I should've called this thread Sucks to the Future I guess.
No use being bitter about it... Its gonna happen... Do you really think the rest of the world is going, no I dont want disks with 40+ gig storage space? Probably the same amount that said no thanks dial up is all we need...
As for studios, all I know of have signed to one or the other format.
As for 3d camera that is 1 example, I dont know what they have planned.
Anyway its really up to you if you buy one or not isnt it?

kater
November 1st, 2006, 09:46 AM
These new formats are designed asmuch for games (bigger market than movies now) as it is for movies.

I'm intrigued to know where exactly you got this idea from.

musick
November 2nd, 2006, 12:03 AM
I'm intrigued to know where exactly you got this idea from.
Well I actually heard it in a university class.
I'll see if I can find some quotes.
In 2004, Halo 2 launched to an eager videogaming audience. It generated $125 million in sales during the first day, an unprecedented amount of money for any entertainment field. This includes Hollywood, which (as is often pointed out) has complete box office results lower than the revenue generated by the interactive entertainment industry.
http://biz.gamedaily.com/industry/adwatch/?id=12877
From 2004...
http://www.themovieblog.com/archives/2004/12/video_game_industry_bigger_than_hollywood.html
Another
http://games.slashdot.org/games/04/12/19/2350234.shtml?tid=98&tid=10
I cant seem to find any 2005 comparisons that wouldnt charge me for the research but you get the idea. I thought it was common knowledge.

Bond
November 2nd, 2006, 01:21 AM
Gee all these advanced technologies and gizmos and the term "backward compatible" seems lost on the developers. I'll probably get a CD-DVD player before a HD-DVD player. Of course if a smart Chinese company comes up with a cheap CD-DVD-HD-DVD imitation player maybe that will make these big disfunctional consumer electronic conglomerates think twice about leading people down an inferior development path and ripping them off.

Sony a decade ago was a marquee name in quality and innovation now it has become synonymous with big corporate fat throwing its weight around concerned more with overpriced branding. I'll take a Samsung over Sony. Generally the same quality and better priced.

By the way here's an article on Nintendo's strategy emphasizing innovation over power in the $30 billion dollar video game industry:
Playing a Different Game (http://www.economist.com/business/displaystory.cfm?story_id=8080787)

saintjon
November 4th, 2006, 12:42 PM
As it sets out to broaden the gaming population, Nintendo is not fighting against Sony and Microsoft, says Mr Iwata. Its real enemy is the indifference that many people still feel towards gaming. Of course, says Mr Iwata, he would be happy if Nintendo became the leading console-maker again as a result of its new approach. But a victory over Sony and Microsoft in a shrinking market, he says, would not be a victory at all.

That about says it all right there.

Nintendo has always had the best interests at heart IMO.

BTW, what I'm asking is what is the point of 40+ gigs storage space when the movie industry isn't going to start having more then one movie per disk. You're ending up with "better" hardware that no one takes advantage of.

The only concrete difference dvds have made content wise is we now have commentary tracks, and occasionally a trailer. Yay. Throw in the fact that this is usually used to sell 3 different versions of the same movie and the whole thing looks like the farce it is. Now expand this to this new generation of overpriced high-teck gimmicks and I have to ask, "what difference will there be?" and I can't honestly see anything worthwhile about it. If they come out and the industry miraculously changes I will consider buying into it, if it's just going to be the lame-ass money grab I think it is then count me out.