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DabigJimdogg0
January 28th, 2007, 01:35 AM
Honestly, what do you people see in Casino Royale? I'm not trying to start contreversy I just really want to know. Half the movie is them playing poker. Another half is a stupid forced relationship between him and two different girls with no qualities that would make them any different from your steriotypical model type. And what is this?? He nearly dies from drink poisoning? What Bond dies from drinking a martini??? That just shows how weak this movie is, there's only one awsome gun scene and that's the very first part of the movie. The only parts of this movie I enjoyed were the opening credits (that song is amazing) and the scene where Bond is being tortured which was absolutely hillarious. But really, enlighten me. What was so good about that movie?

JBI
January 28th, 2007, 09:27 AM
The makers of the movie wanted to change Bond from being all about gadgets to having a plot. This is due to the fact that the two previous books went to far, and had gadgets involving invisible cars, and space ships. Because of that, the makers now decided to remove the gadgets.

Personally I found it interesting. It wasn't what I would call a "Bond" movie, but it was a decent film. That being said, it's all a matter of preference. Do you prefer gadgets and the old-school bond, or do you want a plot, and something actually possible.

DabigJimdogg0
January 28th, 2007, 09:51 AM
Well see that's the point. I do want plot but this movie doesn't exactly do it very well. I mean, a casino tournament where you have to bet in a million dollars? Plus what's with the girls? You want us to feel bad about them dying but one of them was cheating on her husban and the other was going against bond and taking his money. I want plot, but if you're not going to put effort into it, just keep with the shooting.

Konrad
January 29th, 2007, 05:18 AM
I thought that it didn't have the things that make a Bond-movie. No gadgets and no superbadguy. :mad:
I was disappointed...

juzzza
January 29th, 2007, 05:52 AM
I think that was the studio's intention... I.E. move the franchise away from 80's cheese, gadgets and a very un-PC perspective on women.

The weaknesses discussed in this thread, for me at least, are the movie's strengths.

They wanted to inject some gritty dialogue and focus much more on what influenced Bond's characterization. He is a killer. He is emotionally unavailable.

Sure, they had to throw in some explosions, some one-liners and there had to be gadgets... but they did all this through a '2006 filter'. The audience for Bond has evolved and they have evolved the franchise with it. They picked an un-conventional actor to play Bond, they picked an alternative rocker to sing the theme tune (Chris Cornell) and they paid attention to the script and made sure the violence was realistic and gritty.

Perhaps the audience looking for 'awesome gun scenes' and torture are looking in the wrong place. Check out the slew of Japanese gangster movies on the market.

I haven't bothered to watch a Bond movie at the cinema for almost a decade... the last one I attempted to watch on DVD, I turned off half-way through and sold at a car boot sale soon after.

I loved Casino Royale, but then I just really enjoyed Rocky Balboa!

Muess
January 30th, 2007, 05:40 AM
Perhaps the audience looking for 'awesome gun scenes' and torture are looking in the wrong place. Check out the slew of Japanese gangster movies on the market.


Or perhaps the movie studios wanting to make movies with meaningful plots are looking in the wrong place and should of come up with (shock, horror) a new franchise idea for this instead of messing with the established Bond formula. That's my take on it anyway. I enjoyed the film but there was no need for it to be a Bond film :)

juzzza
January 30th, 2007, 06:06 AM
They'd probably argue that they are doing that (creating new franchises)... but they are also a business and so why would they not want to milk a cashcow like an established franchise?

Like any product, the best way to ensure longevity is to re-invent it and adapt to the changing market.

Muess
January 30th, 2007, 09:37 AM
You are undoubtedly right. Unfortunately, that's small consolation for long time fans.

juzzza
January 30th, 2007, 09:40 AM
Sure... but please spare a thought for the Highlander fans... now there is a tragic story... and franchise.

Muess
January 30th, 2007, 10:38 AM
Unfortunately for me I'm also a Highlander fan! :mad: :(