[Mazrim Taim]

Something sprung to mind:
In the WOT books there are numerous references to the fact that in other era's, LTT was lured to the Dark One to serve him...
but it is also stated that if the Dark One triumps, he will break the Wheel and rearrange world and time to his own vision.
So, if in an era long gone (or yet to come)the Dark One converts LTT to his cause (and thus winning, cos who else could stop him but the Dragon)why hasn't the Wheel stopped turning yet? Am I missing something obvious here?

[This message has been edited by Mazrim Taim (edited November 24, 2000).]

[Macros]

naah, those were just delirious Ishmael fantasies.

[FitzChivalry]

I believe those were lies created to tempt the Dragon to join the Dark One's cause...
The bad guys do lie you know.

[drakon]

another problem arises with the cyclic nature RJ has given his world.

If this time 'round the Dragon actually defets the Dark One and kills him then that will be different then all the times before where he was only imprisones, only to escape again, to be imprisoned again....
so , don't we basicly know what's going to happen, or will the wheel of time change it's direction this time and this will be not the End but a end...

[Macros]

I think that in the end, Rand will end up breaking the wheel of time and mankind will have its own destiny to look forward to. Think about it, the Dark One wants to break the wheel of time but wouldn't it be the ultimate irony for Rand to do it.

[Bardos]

This Era is differnt than others, according to RJ. This time, if the Dragon is defeated, the Dark One wiil triump. It is writen in the 1st or 2bd book of WOT, I think.
Also, I agreewith what Macros just said...

Bardos

[Liselle]

Thinking about that, another problem came to my mind (actually I think that I simply haven't understood everything, but I find it easier to ask you rather than reread all the books): The Dark One has been sealed up in Shayol Ghul by the Creator himself, in the moment of creation, yes?
But then, why whas it necessary for LTT and the Hundred Companions to do the same again? Or, otherwise, where is my mistake?

[drakon]

I am not sure myself (it's been a long time since Iread the first books) but i'm not sure that the creator sealed the Dark One. I think LTT battled him and sealed him there, and that's wehtn saidin go tainted , after which LTT went mad and broke the world.
I mighthbe wrong of course. http://www.sffworld.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Ravenlock]

I can't remember where this is at but at some point they drilled a hole in the Dark Ones prison and then they had to make a patch to seal him back in. Now the seals on the patch, not onn the prison itself are breaking and that is why he may get out again. I'm pretty sure that is how it happed. I hope that is the answer to your question.

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[Giarc]

I think Ravenlock has got it right. The Aes Sedai thought they were tapping into some great power source, maybe even allowing Aes Sedai of either gender to use both Saidin and Saidar. Of course, the fit hit the shan once the prison was breached, My question is this: if the bad dude was imprisoned, how did he corrupt and dominate the forsaken/chosen ?