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JohnH
October 8th, 2001, 02:59 PM
So who 'does' Tolkien well ('sides Mrs Tolkien - apologies to the more purient members - but I could not resist!)?

The only author that comes to mind is Deborah Christian whose dwarves and elves seem closely based on Tolkien's. At least in physicality and personality.

McKiernan does Tolkien but his best work is when he leaves the cloying warrows to the side and strays from Tolkien as much as possible.

Brooks also tried to do Tolkien to poor effort.

Feist does the elves and dwarves in close Tolkien approximation. His orignal story was fresh enough (before Pugalicious became the theme of every book) that the similarities were seen as familiar without being overly familiar.

Weis and Hickman -- also did the gaming route of Tolkien inspiration. Thibnk their work is horrid regardless of who inspired them.

Eddings took the whole idea of a talisman and pretty much bludgeoned it to death.

Rebecca Bradley went the Eddings route and ended up with a witty, entertaining intelligent series that puts Eddings to shame.

So who else took Tolkien and tried to run with him (whether they scored or dropped him without making a first down)?

I know that some consider all contemporary fantasy derivative of Tolkien, but this is more about following certain themesrather closely. Elves, dwarves, goblins and rings. That sort of thing.

Sojourn
October 8th, 2001, 04:19 PM
I'm surprised you haven't mentioned Robert Jordan's 'Wheel of Time' series. It's probably, IMHO, THE epitome of a Tolkien rip-off. Nearly every Tolkien element has its carbon-copy in WoT: rural country nobody becomes great hero, shadowmen/black riders, ugly deformed minions, evil dark lord in background hunting the hero, band of 'friends' from same 'town/village' help hero on his quest, border city guarding against invasion from 'dark realm', mighty warrior who hides a secret legacy, mentor and guiding wizard/wizardess, a significant horn, a fading elegant race who dwell in magical forests/stedding, treemen... the list is endless.

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JohnH
October 8th, 2001, 05:50 PM
Actually Jordan does do Tolkien in the first book and does so deliberately. But I don't think WoT qualifies as a whole. Little to nothing about the later books except maybe the concept of an evil 'overlord'.

Socially and culturally, Jordan takes little from the Tolkien prototype.

As for being the epitome? Hardly, imo. Not with The Sword of Shannara and McKiernan's Dark Tower trilogy basically rewriting tLotR.

And if you are equating the Ogier with the elves? You leave me baffled.

Lord Soth
October 9th, 2001, 12:37 AM
Check out the Memory Sorrow and Thorn series by Tad Williams. Many Tolkiness elements there but most notably the Sithi as a good spin on the elves. Whilst being comparable to Tolkien I believe these books to be the better..... Probably as I found the writing style more accessible but this is a very subjective view.

allanon
October 9th, 2001, 01:47 AM
Well,infact Tolkien is not original too...he use many elements from German mythology.
But IMHO the most important think is HOW you tell the story.
Infact ALL of the European literature is copying the classic Greek and Roman myths.

polgara
October 9th, 2001, 02:17 AM
Brooks did a very bad version of tolkien!

Rob B
October 9th, 2001, 02:47 AM
MEMORY, SORROW AND THORN by Tad Williams!!!
MEMORY, SORROW AND THORN by Tad Williams!!!
MEMORY, SORROW AND THORN by Tad Williams!!!
MEMORY, SORROW AND THORN by Tad Williams!!!

Penumbra
October 9th, 2001, 08:57 AM
Allanon is correct when he states that nearly all of Tolkien's inspirations were from European mythology. Elves, goblins, trolls, dragons, wizards and necromancers were not his creations, though ents, balrogs, ringwraiths and hobbits certainly were. Most polls still show J.R.R. Tolkien leading the pack in terms of Fantasy and it is clear that many fantasy writers emulate him, either intentionally or subliminally. I don't believe that detracts from them, merely that they appreciate a good model to work from and it is so hard to fix something that already works well.

On the other hand, I rather enjoy a good tale that doesn't rely on Tolkien, if only for its innovativeness.

allanon
October 9th, 2001, 06:49 PM
Even the Balrogs and Ents are creatures from Celtic myths.

Shehzad
October 9th, 2001, 09:07 PM
MS&T is definitely up there...

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