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JohnH
January 23rd, 2002, 06:22 PM
Word is that there will be a Legends follow up, Legends II if you will. Del Rey is supposed to publish this sometime in the fall of 2003. The contributers (and the world they plan on writing their contribution in) listed are as follows:

Robert Jordan (The Wheel of Time)
Terry Brooks (Shannara)
Anne McCaffrey (Pern)
Orson Scott Card (Alvin Maker)
George R. R. Martin (A Song of Ice and Fire)

Others lined up:
Neil Gaiman, Tad Williams (Otherland), Raymond Feist, Robin Hobb, Elizabeth Haydon, and Silverberg (Majipoor).


First of all, I look forward to Jordan, Martin and Hobb. Martin's Hedge Knight was much better than books two and three of aSoIaF, imo. Any Dunk story would be marvelous. And anything added to the WoT universe is greatly welcomed.

However I have to wonder at some of the picks. The original premise of Legends was to line up ten of the best (and bestselling) fantasy novelists and have them introduce their worlds and styles in a novella set in their most popular series.

Even in the first Legends, I had a problem with who the editor (Silverburg) considered worthy of the tap on the shoulder. One complaint was *braces for the howls* Martin. Much as I loved 'The Hedge Knight', at the time of the publication he had just put out the second book. Not quite yet a bestseeling series. Though he has proven his popularity with the release of the third book and so might have ended up being a prophetic pick, he was hardly a 'legend' at the time (and remember we are going by quality, just fandom and sales).

Silverberg's Majipoor series is not quite fantasy either, but then I guess you have to take what you get when the guy serves as editor.

I don't see exactly how Elizabeth Haydon qualifies. One trilogy that sold okay within the genre but certainly broke no records and already gets thrown in with the likes of Jordan, Brooks, Martin, Feist and McCaffrey? Love or hate em, you have to admit that all have the capacity to sell books. And all have pretty well established worlds that are recognizable outside the fan circles.

One thing I was hoping in Legends II, was some new blood. At least we get Hobb. McCaffrey, Feist and Brooks would all fall by the wayside if I had my choice. Gaiman is not necessary nor Card.

I cannot believe that Elliott, Roberson, Kurtz, Kerr, Cherryh, Wurts, Jones or Rawn were all too busy to contribute. Yet surely Haydon was not an immediate choice? Surely she was a back-up?

Now this is all subject to change. Legends was origianlly slated to be released by Del Rey and was done by Tor instead. Eddings, Rice and Brooks were all on board at one point or another and jumped ship (rumor has it that all three took a dim view of playing second fiddle to Jordan who had the most best-selling clout and hence the name at the top of the cover even before the book went to Tor).

So anyhow on to the discussion. Wondered what your picks would be for Legends II were you the editor. Here are the guidelines (and for the purpose of clarity could the effort be made to folow these?):

A. Author must be living and well-known
B. work from Author must be based in one of the worlds that said author has or still is writing a series in
C. author should have at least two novels in said series released
D. number of contributers must be ten; no more no less

My Legends II wishlist
1. Robert Jordan (The Wheel of Time)
2. Robin Hobb (The Liveship Traders)
3. George R. R. Martin (A Song of Ice and Fire)
4. C.J. Cherryh (Fortress)
5. Kate Elliott (Crown of Stars)
6. Melanie Rawn (Dragon Prince/Star)
7. Stephen Donaldson (Mordant's Need)
8. Dave Duncan (The King's Blades)
9. Katharine Kerr (Deverry)
10.Tad Williams (Memory, Sorrow and Thorn)

If I could bend my own rules, I would have Ricardo Pinto (The Chosen) and Jacqueline Carey (Kushiel's Dart) on the list instead of the last two.
Now remember these are novellas we are talking about not novels. The story takes place within the world but is not esential to the ongoing story that the series puts forth. The novellas are stand alones and the reader does not need to have read the series in order to know what is going on in the novella.

So list away. You know you want to.

estranghero
January 23rd, 2002, 09:02 PM
Damn, are they serious? Hmmm, I remember when the book first came out, I thought it was a fantastist's dream come true. Of course, I had some questions (like why would an editor include his own story?) but what the hell, right? It's a good collection.

Still, I think they included Neil Gaiman because they want to put in a mainstream writer in this selection like they did the last time with Stephen King.

Also, I would second most of your suggestions for book inclusion, though I would think that the requirements of the collection would discriminate against good single-novel or fantasy writers like Martha Wells and Guy Gavriel Kay. And what about British writers?

My list?

1. Robert Jordan (The Wheel of Time)
2. Robin Hobb (The Farseer as I haven't read The Liveship Traders)
3. George R. R. Martin (A Song of Ice and Fire)
4. C.J. Cherryh (Fortress, yes!!!)
5. David Gemmell (Drenai series, i.e. Druss)
6. Glen Cook (Black Company which is supposedly one of the older fantasy series around, older even than Shannara)
7. Stephen Donaldson (though I've only read Mordant's Need, I think Thomas Covenant would be better, no?)
8. Matthew Stover (Overworld)
9. Katharine Kerr (Deverry)
10.Tad Williams (Memory, Sorrow and Thorn)

I would presume that being listed on the top bestselling books is not a factor? Kerr is very good but I don't think she ever got listed for her Deverry series.

Also, I would list other authors like Steven Erikson (Malazan) except that I haven't read him yet (though I've heard good stuff about him) and Paul Kearney (Monarchies of God) except that a short story on his books don't seem stand well on its alone IMO.

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jiels
January 23rd, 2002, 09:30 PM
1. Glen Cook (The Black Company)
2. Matthew Stover (Overworld)
3. Dave Duncan (King's Blades or Great Game)
4. GRRM (ASoIaF, more Dunk!)
6. Kay (Fionavar)
5. Pratchett (Discworld)
7. Donaldson (Modant's Need or Covenant but would prefer a Gap story about Angus or Davies http://www.sffworld.com/ubb/wink.gif)
8. Hobb (The Farseer)
9. Robert Asprin (Thieves' World, an oldie but goodie, imo)
10. Weis & Hickman (Deathgate Cycle)

I hope that my list meets your requirements but I doubt it. http://www.sffworld.com/ubb/wink.gif Still, if I could make a series just for me, this would be it.

[This message has been edited by jiels (edited January 24, 2002).]

ChrisW
January 23rd, 2002, 09:36 PM
In no particular order:

Robert Jordan (The Wheel of Time)
Robin Hobb (Farseer)
George R. R. Martin (A Song of Ice and Fire)
Kate Elliott (Crown of Stars)
Melanie Rawn (Dragon Prince/Star)
J V Jones (Book of Worlds)
Steven Erikson (Malazan Book of the Fallen)
Stephen King (Dark Tower)
Raymond E Feist/Wurts (Empire Series)
David Gemmell (Drenai series)



[This message has been edited by Caldazar (edited January 24, 2002).]

Barbarossa
January 23rd, 2002, 10:15 PM
GRRM (SoIaF)

Hobb (Farseer/Lifeship traders (both are set in the same world after all))

Guy Gavriel Kay (Saratine Mosaic and Lions of Al'Rashan are set in the same world, so that qualifies too)

Elliot (Crown of Stars)

Kerr (Deverry)

Brust (Vlad Taltos)

Pratchett (Discworld)

Gaiman (Neverwhere)

Donaldson (Mordan's need)

Stover (Overworld) or Cherryh (Fortress)

Estrangero Pratchett in Legends I and Gaiman are both British, though Gaiman lives in the U.S. I wouldn't call Gaiman a mainstream writer either. I haven't read American Gods yet, but Neverwhere and Good Omens hardly were mainstream.

estranghero
January 23rd, 2002, 10:32 PM
Barbarossa: Oh yeah, I forgot, Pratchett and Gaiman are British. :) Actually, was referring to JohnH's list.

Though my impression of Gaiman IMO is really mainstream because it's not cut from the same vein as the other stories in Legends I. I do enjoy his work also but I think him in a different category as most fantasy writers. (Hehehe I guess that's because I first discovered him in Sandman.)

Mithfânion
January 23rd, 2002, 11:00 PM
Hmm, Hedge Knight was ok but certainly not as good as Martin's last two books. Only because it's so much shorter. It could have been much more and because of that I would say that I certainly look forward to more Dunk &Egg stories. Martin has indicated that IF he is to write any more stories in the Westeros world They would be about Dunk & Egg again. As for why he was included initially, Game of Thrones was acknowledged as a superior work at the time, that probably earned him a place.

Unlike you John, I think they have a very decent list there. I don't see authors (except for Silverberg himself) who don't deserve to be in there. I could do without Card, Haydon and Silverberg but the rest certainly appeals to me.

I cannot believe that Elliott, Roberson, Kurtz, Kerr, Cherryh, Wurts, Jones or Rawn were all too busy to contribute. Yet surely Haydon was not an immediate choice?

I don't see any of the above as significantly better or more famous as most of the authors you mentioned that would be in Legends II. I really don't.

Is it perhaps that you would like more female authors in? Because all of those you mentioned are.

If I had to choose myself I'd go for:

-Robin Hobb (Six Duchies)
-Tad Williams (M,S,T)
-GRRM (Westeros)
-Feist (Midkemia)
-Wurts( Wars of Light and shadow, to get a taste for her writing)
-Mc Killip (RiddleMaster)
-S. Erikson (Malazan Empire, one focusing on the Elder races, the several Tiste races)
-M. Stewart (borderline I know, I'd like to see another Merlin story http://www.sffworld.com/ubb/smile.gif)
-D. Zindell (his Ea Cycle)
-I. Irvine (View from a mirror, for a glimpse at his writing)

Ricardo Pinto has got two books out right?

[This message has been edited by Mithfânion (edited January 24, 2002).]

jbcohen
January 24th, 2002, 01:57 AM
I have a related question with regards to the Legends books. Is reading the Legends books a good way to familiarize myself with the masters of modern fantasy literature?

Rob B
January 24th, 2002, 02:45 AM
jbcohen, go out and buy Legends now. The question you raise is exactly why it was published.

Terry Brooks was asked to be in the first LEGENDS but as courtesy to DelRey, he did not do it because it was published by TOR

On to my ten. I think that all ten should be "new" in that they didn't appear in the first LEGENDS

1) Robin Hobb - perhaps a story bridging the Liveship and Farseer? Perhaps an 'origin' type story for Chade?

2) Stephen R. Donaldson Covenant

3) John Marco - though he has finished Tyrants and Kings, the world is ripe for more stories

4) Matthew Woodring Stover - Overworld nuff said.

5) Terry Brooks Shannara. He wasn't in the first, see above. If LEGENDS II is going to be a DelRey book, then he should be in.

6) David Gemmel - His bulk of fans and books justify inclusion

7) David Farland - Runelords I know you don't personally like it, JohnH, but the recent volume did make the extended NYT Bestseller list.

8) J. Gregory Keyes - Age of Unreason critically acclaimed, I think each book in the series has been a #1 Locus bestseller. The guy can write.

9) Steven Brust - Vlad Taltos

10) Dave Duncan - King's Blades {a new novel in this world is coming out in October http://www.sffworld.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.sffworld.com/ubb/smile.gif http://www.sffworld.com/ubb/smile.gif}

Mithfânion
January 24th, 2002, 03:36 AM
Gregory Keyes' books, are they Fantasy or SF?

 

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