[sunback]

which should I read first?

[ChrisW]

If you like a lot of violence and sex, A Song of Ice and Fire. If you don't, The Wheel of Time.

Why don't you just buy the first book of each series and then decide which one suits you better. You obviously will be buying both anyway.:)

[sunback]

no sex or violence, then what is there?

[ChrisW]

Well there is sex in WoT but Jordan lets us use our imagination instead of describing it like Martin does. As for violence, don't get me wrong there is fighting and battle scenes in WoT but they arn't as graphic as how Martin writes his. WoT probally has alot more battles than aSoIaF.

no sex or violence, then what is there?

There is some braid tugging and sniffing if you like that:p . I know I do:eek: .

-Dovie'andi se tovya sagain!

[Barbarossa]

What's there (in Wot) is endless repetition, flat charachters (there is only one female character in Wot, unfortunatly she appears about 200 times under different names).

What's there in Wot too, is a huge and very dettailed world, which its fans love but which in my oppinion, is fairly weak. While any fantasy world uses templates from the real world, Jordan just combines them in strange ways in a vain attempt to appear original, without any thought to internal logic.

What's there in Wot is also NO end in sight.

Having said that, I must admit it sounds harsher than I actually feel, I enjoyed Wot up too a point, and I will even continue reading it, if only to see if RJ does find a way to the end.

But I thought I should give you a counterview to Caldezar who is one of the most fanatical Wot fanboy's ever.

While in my own, serene, mature way am a great admirer of aSoIaF and its author GRRM ;)

[ChrisW]

counterview???

I did not say Martin was a bad author or that Jordan is better than Martin. What I said was totally unbiased*. You on the other hand felt the need to put down one of the authors and then claim that you only did so to counter what I said. Me thinks you, like others on this forum just couldn't resist ragging on Jordan.

*Unless you consider a lot of sex and violence a bad thing. I DON'T.

-Dovie'andi se tovya sagain!

[Elan Morin Tedronai]

Yes, but I consider sex and violence as bad, useless thing, just to fullfill books. In Jordan there is no sex. Yes there are emotional relationships, which trully leads to physical relationships (in short sex, yes :rolleyes: )! But Jordan hides the sex scenes from us, of that I am very thankful.

On other hand Martin is so brutal and obscene in some places, that I cannot see the main storyline. So for me except, sex and violence there is nothing...

No offence, but I highly recommend to read WoT first, because I truly think it's the better decalogy. After all it's up to you... :)

[Barbarossa]

Ok, Caldazar, I admit, my perception was clouded by your past posts, you admit yourself after all that you are a Wot- fanatic.

Also I didn't say Martin is better than Jordan, I said I like Martin better, and I said Jordan is repetitive, which is a quantifiable fact. I also said I had complains with his worldbuilding, and that all his female characters are the same.
Rober Jordan admits the later frequently in interviews (he says they are all based on his wife (poor guy)) and also talked about his technique of worldbuilding which is exactly as I described. I also mentioned that many like that worldbuilding but that I don't.

As to Sunback's first question, I would consider Martin a must read, and Jordan a might read if you got lots of spare time and nothing better, of which plenty is out there.

[allanon]

"Wheel of Time" definetly. It's really great book with great magic-structure, excellent world and memorable heroes&villains.

[Canaris]

as most of times I have to agree with my German friend.

WoT is a sorry excuse to stay in Sundays. It hooks in the first couple of books, but after another wasted Sunday you ll finally start hating Jordan.

an endless repetition of what these dreadful woman are wearing, thought they were wearing or what they aren’t wearing. (Confused? You wont be after having read the series)

Page after page endless monologues of these utterly uninspired characters. These woman are , as stated by barbarossa, all one person in multitude versions.

The main characters in books 1 to 5 completely disappear. After book 5 , all you read is what these biggering woman are upto. Rand The Main character even becomes are mere shadow of his own appearance. He completely falls back in his development. The other two boys are not even mentioned anymore, let alone in the context of yet another woman.

Its unfair to say , you have to leave the books as 1 to 5 are indeed very enjoyable , but I am sorry to say, as the amen comes in a prayer , you ll end up writing the same as we do now.