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Miriamele
May 25th, 2002, 07:25 PM
Almost every review I have read for this book is positively glowing. Everyone says it's so "sophisticated", but personally, I thought it was dreadfully boring, nothing but political intrigue and long lists of names which I couldn't keep straight, and that S&M stuff I found really distasteful, call me old-fashioned. I just could not get interested in the story or the characters, and I stopped reading it about two-thirds of the way through. Is there anyone else out there who shares my dislike of this book? I'm merely curious.

Mithfânion
May 27th, 2002, 01:59 AM
I've yet to read it Miriamele, but I am curious. I've heard a lot of buzz for this book. What I have understood though, is that the second book is weaker than the first. When I read it I'll let you know my thoughts.

CrazyReader
May 27th, 2002, 08:21 AM
I ordered this from the SFBC so if I ever get my books (been waiting about 5 weeks now!! http://www.sffworld.com/ubb/frown.gif ) then I'll read it!

Rob B
May 27th, 2002, 09:59 AM
I din't care for it either. Let me clarify: I enjoyed the first half or so of the book. Carey is a pretty good writer, I thought she incorporated the sexual aspect into the religious aspect quite well.

However, after about the mid-way point, I simply stopped caring about the characters and what was going to happen. I particularily found the character of Jocelin very annoying.

Perhaps I will try it again someday, but not for a while.

Miriamele
May 27th, 2002, 10:34 AM
Yes I found the same thing, no matter how hard I tried I just could't care about the characters, or relate to them at all. It's true the religion Carey created is interesting, but it isn't enough to prop up a book with such a boring plot.

I didn't try the second book but I imagine it's much the same.

Lani
September 29th, 2002, 08:41 PM
I'm finishing 'Kushiel's Dart' and I cannot agree with you. There are negative things about the book, but I would think it very far from being boring. I actually got so caught up in the book I missed my bus stop the other day. It does have a bit too much sex and especially S&M for my liking, but I thought that the book was really good otherwise. I really liked the way Carey wrote the world and culture though one can see a lot of references to myths and other existant cultures with only one letter added or changed. I really liked the character of Delaunay and Phedre was not all that bad. Isn't there anyone else who thought this book is good?

Alle
September 29th, 2002, 08:58 PM
I think the book is overhyped, but it had good moments to it as well. My main problems were that things dragged at times throughout the book, and also I didn't care that much for the characters. The thing I especially disliked were all the times where we were told " but much worse was to happen." and things like that. Once and a while, its ok, but this haapened throughout and I was annoyed by it. *l* ok, so that's not major. Anyway, I probably will read the sequel but am in no rush whatsoever. I do hear that there is very little Joscelyn in it, so if that is true, that is a plus. He annoyed me the most, I think.

ChrisW
September 29th, 2002, 11:18 PM
I don't know why people go on about the S&M so much? It's not like there is heaps of it or that it's graphically described. It plays a small but important part of the overall story.

I found nothing wrong with the books and found both quite enjoyable. Carey is a lot better than the average fantasy author.

Mithfânion, the second book imo was just as good as the first. Perhaps a little more predictable but that would be my only fault with it.

Lady Fox
September 30th, 2002, 08:41 AM
I didn't find this book to be boring at all. I loved the intricate political manuverings and the unique religious system. I found the characters to be interesting and well created. I have read both Dart and Chosen and am looking forward to Avatar. As Caldazar stated, the S&M aspect of our main character's activities was well presented and not overly graphic or descriptive. In this case, the story was the main focus and the sex was just one element of the plot.

Miriamele
September 30th, 2002, 09:39 AM
I don't know why people go on about the S&M so much? It's not like there is heaps of it or that it's graphically described. It plays a small but important part of the overall story.
I don't think that anyone was "going on" about it. I and one other person just mentioned that it wasn't really our taste. Everyone is entitled to their opinion, right? If you don't enjoy reading scenes like that then you're probably not going to like the book very much, because there certainly is a lot of it and I'm not entirely convinced that it was all really necessary to the story.

That having been said, the rest of the book I still found boring. I can't help it if I simply didn't like the characters and couldn't get into the book. It's just not my type of book.