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milamber_reborn
July 19th, 2002, 05:12 AM
Where'd you find out Holbrook?

I read it once in an Expose mag and a great documentary a couple of weeks ago, called Conspiracy. The NASA representitive never actually gave conclusive evidence against the individual claims.

1. Where are the stars? No atmosphere=starry sky all day and night

2. Astronauts standing with backs to the Earth (the only light source) in the photos, so if they are standing in the shadows, why are they lit up in the front as if a studio light is on them?

3. The photos have crosshairs on them, but things like rocks and the flag are in front of the crosshairs (photos have been doctored)

4. If you overlay various photos and films, the scenery doubled up, even when they are supposedly in a different area.

5. There is a radiation belt above the earth, requiring eight-feet thick lead on the tin can shuttles to survive. That's why the Russians have never passed the barrier. Cause it can't be done in current space shuttles.

6. The flag waved around in the wind in the videos - wait a second, it is impossible for there to be wind on the moon.

7. When you double speed the video the buggy and astronauts are moving as if under Earth gravity.

Debunkers are welcome to explain these anomalies.

Cadfael
July 19th, 2002, 10:57 AM
1. Where are the stars? No atmosphere=starry sky all day and night because of the real light source... see below

2. Astronauts standing with backs to the Earth (the only light source) in the photos, so if they are standing in the shadows, why are they lit up in the front as if a studio light is on them? Erm... the earth was not the only light source.... they landed on the side of the moon that faces the sun... and it is this what lights them from the front, and the earth in the background... by the way... can YOU see star in the day time???, the sun was soo bright to the landers... that no other light source apart from the earth could bee seen

3. The photos have crosshairs on them, but things like rocks and the flag are in front of the crosshairs (photos have been doctored) Yes!!! they have been doctored... by extremist advocates of this theory... do you really think Nasa and the US government are THAT stupid

4. If you overlay various photos and films, the scenery doubled up, even when they are supposedly in a different area. so what... if you look hard enough you are bound to find similarities...

5. There is a radiation belt above the earth, requiring eight-feet thick lead on the tin can shuttles to survive. That's why the Russians have never passed the barrier. Cause it can't be done in current space shuttles. ..... the radiation belt you speak of is only about about a mile thick... it would have taken the lunar launcher less than a second to pass through it... if it is so powerful to affect human in that kind of time... we would never have gotten the Voyager craft past it.... oh wait!!!! those are fake too!!! :D

6. The flag waved around in the wind in the videos - wait a second, it is impossible for there to be wind on the moon. I admit.. I have never seem this.. so I remain unconvinced

7. When you double speed the video the buggy and astronauts are moving as if under Earth gravity. Double speed me on my mountain bike... it looks like I am riding a motorbike...

Shef
July 19th, 2002, 11:08 AM
I'll pick up on the one thing Cad missed. The flag wasn't waving. If you look at an origanal version of the landing, the flag was held out and stiff on supports attached to the pole. Plus, do you think that if they went through all the trouble to make a studio look like the moon, they would leave the door open for a breeze to come through? NO!

enazwo
July 19th, 2002, 11:08 AM
I suppose anything is possible. But there is a remarkable amount of footage that has been released over the years that certainly wouldn't fit into the "faked moon landing conspiracy". I do not believe most of the world has had the opportunity to see the de-classified footage that we have here in the US. Me personally I'm confident that it indeed happened. But you know anything's possible and people do love conspiracy theories.

Miriamele
July 19th, 2002, 11:37 AM
This is a very interesting debate. I've actually never heard of this theory before that the moon landings were faked.

Is the theory that they were all faked, or that maybe the first one was? I can see that, because maybe the Americans were afraid that the Russians would beat them to it or something. The Russians were the first to put a man in space so it would be embarassing I suppose if they put someone on the moon first too.

But even so it does seem rather far-fetched. I am still inclined to believe that the moon landings did indeed take place.

Jacquin
July 19th, 2002, 12:29 PM
:D

Talaith
July 19th, 2002, 12:30 PM
Have you ever seen stars in photos from the Space Shuttle? No. Why? Stars are so faint compared to everything else in the picture the only way to get them to show up on the film would be to increase the length of time the camera shutter stays open. You would see the stars if you increased the shutter time...maybe, the film would end up being so over-exposed you still might not be able to see them!

As for the little crosshairs in the picture, just about all those early NASA pictures have those little crosshairs in them. Here is a picture taken of Melbourne during the Skylab 4 mission:

http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/Images/skylab/skylab4_melbourne.gif

You can see the little crosshairs in the photo. There are a few that are incomplete, but I don't think that means the existance of Melbourne has been faked by NASA! :)

DarthV
July 19th, 2002, 12:37 PM
Wasn't this a Fox Special ? Come on folks... if you do any research at all, you will find every one of the accusations debunked. Fox + News don't fricking mix...

Holbrook
July 19th, 2002, 12:37 PM
An apology.....

Jacquin has spent all afternoon on my machine.( he is my house guest) I thought he had logged out as him, so posted but it was me (place red face here I couldn't delete it so put a smilie in.) It will teach me to check.. *sigh*

I don't think the landings were faked at all, too many folk involved for that to be so...

You can't fool a radar dish in the middle of Aussie that it is receiving signals from a ship on the moon when it is not....


:D

Jacquin
July 19th, 2002, 01:17 PM
My fault entirely, forgot to log out when I had finished earlier. :rolleyes:

J