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Kindle/Nook question - What vanity- or small-press to use as a follow-up?


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Laer Carroll
November 27th, 2011, 03:07 PM
Shapechanger's Birth has been up at Amazon and B&N for almost three weeks now. Several fans of ShapechangerTales.com and family and friends have bought a copy - or say they have.

But several have said "I bought it to support you but I won't be reading it. I don't have a Kindle/Nook."

I point out that they can read it on their computers and smart phones and tablets. Most of them are tech savvy - some even work in tech-heavy fields - and most are heavy users of smart phones, etc. But many still say, "When can I get a book?"

Honestly, I think that would be my question, too, if a friend told me they'd done what I have. A cheap paperback can be literally thrown into my car without fear it will be broken. Or my car window smashed by a crack-head with a brick to steal it. And I can take it to my bathtub or to the beach or other tech-unsafe place. I can toss into a recycler or give it to a friend or give it to my library for their every-day used-book sale.

Because, face it, naifs. (My new low-impact insult. Much better than my first impulse, idiots!) The print publishing industry is not going away any century soon. It's in peril now? It has ALWAYS been in peril. It has ALWAYS been a low-margin, high-risk business. It has ALWAYS had to adapt to new conditions.

Printed matter is a high-tech sophisticated product which has many advantages over electronic "print." It is just that all that is hidden from tech enthusiasts and even most tech professionals like myself. By familiarity, and by centuries of tech evolution to make print consumption almost seem as if it's a natural biological process like eating or breathing.

So I'm faced with a problem. What vanity press do I use to create a printed book for me to use to create publicity copies? Amazon pushes CreateSpace (https://www.createspace.com/Products/Book/). A friend suggests Smashwords (http://www.smashwords.com/). Their web sites claim they are for-profit publishers, but I think only naifs will believe that.

Another possibility is a copy service. I think some of them offer a book-publishing service.

Someone is bound to suggest a small press, likely using that oxymoron "indie" press. I've been investigating them. They may be small, but they are still publishers, with most of the baggage of larger publishers. Including an excruciatingly slow time between submitting a book and getting copies out that I can give away.

Also, going small-press has the problem that I may (MAY) get agents or larger publishers interested in handling my Shapechanger Tales book series. I plan to begin querying both in a few months once I've put perhaps three books online with Amazon and B&N.

So that's one of my concerns during the (online) post-publishing process. Which as I expected is a long hard process, but one which writers must endure. Creating a book is only part of a writer's life. Like birthing a child, most of the problems come afterwards.

Any help you can give me with bringing up my babies will be appreciated.

tmso
November 27th, 2011, 03:49 PM
Smashwoods does print? I didn't know that. What about going to a local print shop? Might be expensive, but might worth looking into.

The advantage of CreateSpace, of course, is that it is print-on-demand (POD). That's what I would go for - a POD service, because buying 10,000 (or less or more) copies of your book could get expensive. Let us know what you decide. I would be curious to know what options are out there too.

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CMTheAuthor
November 27th, 2011, 06:21 PM
Smashwords does not do print, just e-books only. They do promote an alterative website called Wordclay (http://www.wordclay.com/), which does both e-books and print (for free, supposedly, but I don't know all the details), so you can take a look at that if you feel like it.

The lack of general tech savvy-ness is a problem. I did post on my blog explaining in broad terms how to use Adobe Digital Editions to read my book, but my blog isn't exactly the most widely read thing in the world.

The best suggestion I can offer you is to take the time to explain the process to people, which is what I've done. Not only will you make them more tech savvy (a bonus for everyone), you will also establish a reputation as being nice and very approachable as an author and a person. Which is going to produce much better sales results then, say, calling them naifs. :p

sullivan_riyria
November 28th, 2011, 12:05 AM
Createspace is not a vanity press - they are a printer/distributor. Vanity presses are companies like Lulu, Xlibris, iUniverse etc. - They have pretty high fees as "packages" to get your books in print.

I suggest bypassing the vanities and going direct...The two most common are CreateSpace and Ligntning Source. CreateSpace has a $39 setup fee (if you go pro - $0 if not but I always suggest the pro. The setup fee for Lightning Source is $117 ($35 for cover, $35 for interior, $30 for proof, $12 for catalog submission.

Hope that helps.

Laer Carroll
December 5th, 2011, 05:06 AM
I'm only interested in vanity presses because I just want to create a few dozen copies of 1 or 2 online books to promote all the online books, which I anticipate to be 5 or 6 in this coming year.

I have ZERO interest in small presses. I should have said nothing about them. Next year, with several books online at Amazon, B&N, and Apple I intend to query agents who might find a place for the online books at mid- to large-press publishers.

Today I went by FedEx/Kinkos (they are now one) because they have claimed to be in the print-on-demand book business since 2007. That claim seems to be false.

However, they could print up a mass market sized booklet. I may put the first part of Shapechanger's Birth in one. It works as a complete novelette in its own right, and so would not leave readers mid-story-arc.

I could also include a map tracing Mary's path from where she returned from the dead and down the West Ireland coast to Kilrush, where she lived for two years. I could also include several photos taken in Ireland at the places where Part One takes place, and some Shapechanger Tales background. I could also include the short story The Demon in the Forest (http://shapechangertales.com/shapechanger-stories/forest-demo) which is an origin tale for the series.

Remember that I plan to market an entire series, not just one or a few books. It's kind of ironic that I want to use print to tout online books, rather than the other way around!

sullivan_riyria
December 5th, 2011, 09:10 AM
I'm only interested in vanity presses because I just want to create a few dozen copies of 1 or 2 online books to promote all the online books, which I anticipate to be 5 or 6 in this coming year.

I have ZERO interest in small presses. I should have said nothing about them. Next year, with several books online at Amazon, B&N, and Apple I intend to query agents who might find a place for the online books at mid- to large-press publishers.

Today I went by FedEx/Kinkos (they are now one) because they have claimed to be in the print-on-demand book business since 2007. That claim seems to be false.

However, they could print up a mass market sized booklet. I may put the first part of Shapechanger's Birth in one. It works as a complete novelette in its own right, and so would not leave readers mid-story-arc.

I could also include a map tracing Mary's path from where she returned from the dead and down the West Ireland coast to Kilrush, where she lived for two years. I could also include several photos taken in Ireland at the places where Part One takes place, and some Shapechanger Tales background. I could also include the short story The Demon in the Forest (http://shapechangertales.com/shapechanger-stories/forest-demo) which is an origin tale for the series.

Remember that I plan to market an entire series, not just one or a few books. It's kind of ironic that I want to use print to tout online books, rather than the other way around!

If you want a "few dozen copies" then Lulu or CreateSpace would be your best bet - Lulu has $0 setup fee (but higher per book costs). CreateSpace is $39 setup. (They do have a free option but again the per book cost makes it worth doing the $39.

Laer Carroll
December 6th, 2011, 11:14 PM
After an intensive and massive amount of research I've narrowed my search for a print-on-demand publisher to these.


Blurb --- http://www.blurb.com/create/book/textbook
CreateSpace --- https://www.createspace.com/
Ingram --- http://www.ingramcontent.com/default.aspx
Lulu --- http://www.lulu.com/publish/books/

The last two have an additional benefit. They can create an EPUB file for Apple's iBookstore. This way I get three online bookstores: Amazon, B&N, and Apple.

I will use all of them so that I can compare the pros and cons of each. Assuming close reading of their service terms does not reveal any deal-breaker negatives.

KatG
December 7th, 2011, 10:29 PM
I'm assuming that Ingram's is a division of Ingram's, the major wholesaler who supplies the bookstores with reorders, so they'd probably be fairly good. A lot of people also seem to use CreateSpace.

sullivan_riyria
December 8th, 2011, 01:02 AM
After an intensive and massive amount of research I've narrowed my search for a print-on-demand publisher to these.


Blurb --- http://www.blurb.com/create/book/textbook
CreateSpace --- https://www.createspace.com/
Ingram --- http://www.ingramcontent.com/default.aspx
Lulu --- http://www.lulu.com/publish/books/

The last two have an additional benefit. They can create an EPUB file for Apple's iBookstore. This way I get three online bookstores: Amazon, B&N, and Apple.

I will use all of them so that I can compare the pros and cons of each. Assuming close reading of their service terms does not reveal any deal-breaker negatives.

Blurb is new - so I don't know much about them.
CreateSpace is very good - I've always been happy with them.
Ingram - that's interesting because Ingram owns Lightning Source so I didn't know they had something seperate from that.
Lulu's .epub aspect is attractive but you can also get access to Apple's iBookstore via smashwords or bookbrewer.

hughhowey
December 9th, 2011, 07:48 PM
I recommend CreateSpace. I've used them and Lightning Source, and think CS has a ton of advantages (billing is easier, shipping seems quicker, setup is cheaper, website is friendlier, integration with Amazon goes faster, customer support is better).

It's a no-brainer as far as I'm concerned.

As for moving your success with online books to publishers later, I'm afraid that's even more rare than landing a contract to begin with. I just read about an author who sold over 400,000 copies on the Kindle store and still couldn't get signed. When she finally received offers, she was going to end up geting paid less than she was making through Amazon.

I have friends with the big houses who are extremely dissatisfied. They look at me with envy. If Randomhouse called me tonight and offered me a million dollars for the rights to all my books, I would laugh and slam the phone down.

(For ten million, I'd listen to what they have to say)

 

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