KatG
May 22nd, 2012, 07:13 PM
1) The lack of weasel soup (one of the BEST moments of the entire book). Her whole casual escape from Harrenhal felt very anticlimactic. :(
Okay, I'll bite. How exactly in the set-up of the show would they have used weasel soup in any logical manner, especially when it only got called weasel soup afterwards in the book, when the Northmen called it that to Bolton and in the show there are no Northmen prisoners who are freed and no Bolton? (Plus, is Arya boiling men alive -- with the help of Jaquen, whose idea it is, Gendry, Riger and Biter -- with hot liquid really a best moment? When did Arya only get interesting if she's killing people?) :)
2) The Talisa/Robb scene was brutal. Downright painful. I don't even know if I'll be able to re-watch it. It was excruciatingly boring, and infuriatingly overlong. I got so annoyed that I had to leave the room for a bathroom break, and was stunned to find her still talking when I returned.
Oh, her talking the story was the best part, if conventional. You just went for the sex. :) I did actually like the look the two of them gave each other in the middle of the sex part, the kind of can you believe we're doing this thing, but I was awfully distracted by the open tent flap.
You might be presuming too much. Many people (myself included) are starting to think the chain has been cut out completely...
Well that's possible. But I seem to remember in interviews, the boys saying that part of the money they got from HBO for the battle was so they could do the chain. I would argue that, instead of weasel soup, the chain is one of the best things in the series, along with the dragons' birth and Jon organizing the defense of the Wall. So I hope that they keep it, but it was clear from a recent interview they did with EW on the Blackwater episode that money is still a really big problem for the show. That's why they are cutting or minimizing characters right and left, including simplifying Arya's saga at Harrenhal and not getting into Hoat and the Northmen prisoners, or at least not yet.
I think if they cut some big things, that we just have to shrug and say oh well, they didn't have the cash. But this is going to become a huge problem with Storm, even if it is two seasons -- it's a lot of huge action pieces -- the razing of Winterfell now, the battle with the wights, the battle for the Wall with mastadons and giants and Stannis' army showing up, Dany's trail of conquering in the east with the Unsullied and getting to Mereen, and the Red Wedding.
Mance Rayder has not been cast, and I doubt very much we'll get to him before next season.
They'll still kill Halfhand and get Jon accepted in for episode 10.
As for Ramsay, I'm starting to think he will appear before the end of the season. He hasn't shown up in casting sides for S3 and Roose mentioning him several times in succession suggests to me he'll appear soon. Against all of the odds, he must have been successfully cast in secret without the fans cottoning on.
But you all said that was impossible.:D And if it's possible for Ramsay, it would be possible for Mance as well, I would think. I think we'll probably get no more than a glimpse of either of them or none, but we'll see what they do.
However, this makes zero sense considering Littlefinger's journeys. Even assuming Renly's 'camp in the Stormlands' was in the northern Stormlands, fairly close to King's Landing, it is impossible for Littlefinger to have travelled there from KL, up to Harrenhal, down to Highgarden and then (presumably) back to KL with the Tyrell army in so short a period of time.
We don't know that he's in Highgarden yet. He went to Storm's End (which they didn't map out in the map credits or talk about the castle much or even mention the name Storm's End much, but they seem to stick to the maps more or less so lets assume it's in the same place,) and then he went from Storm's End to Harrenhal to talk over the deal with Tywin. Tywin was at Harrenhal for weeks, it's been indicated that several weeks have passed since Renly's death, and it has to have been weeks for Cat and Brienne to make it back up to Robb's army in the Riverlands. If you believe that Cat and Brienne made it to Robb's army, and Littlefinger left Storm's End slightly after they did, then it's buyable that Littlefinger made it to Harrenhal. Then he leaves for Highgarden or Kings Landing, but not both, I don't think. Did they say that he already was in Highgarden and I missed it? In any case, I agree with that they covered a block of time of several weeks in the last three episodes, at least two, and that works with Theon's timeline, King's Landing and sort of Dany's. This of course, though, does not jive with Jon's saga in the North. You can give them say a week of Jon ranging with Halfhand before encountering Ygritte, maybe a tiny bit more, then Jon's saga with Ygritte is two days, then maybe another day marching him to the Lord of Bones, then maybe several days of marching with Halfhand, so that's barely two weeks, which doesn't match up. But in order to string out Jon's storyline, they're hoping we don't notice. It's not perfect, but it is a common tactic in t.v. shows and at least in Southern Westeros the staging is reasonably consistent.
Okay, I'll bite. How exactly in the set-up of the show would they have used weasel soup in any logical manner, especially when it only got called weasel soup afterwards in the book, when the Northmen called it that to Bolton and in the show there are no Northmen prisoners who are freed and no Bolton? (Plus, is Arya boiling men alive -- with the help of Jaquen, whose idea it is, Gendry, Riger and Biter -- with hot liquid really a best moment? When did Arya only get interesting if she's killing people?) :)
2) The Talisa/Robb scene was brutal. Downright painful. I don't even know if I'll be able to re-watch it. It was excruciatingly boring, and infuriatingly overlong. I got so annoyed that I had to leave the room for a bathroom break, and was stunned to find her still talking when I returned.
Oh, her talking the story was the best part, if conventional. You just went for the sex. :) I did actually like the look the two of them gave each other in the middle of the sex part, the kind of can you believe we're doing this thing, but I was awfully distracted by the open tent flap.
You might be presuming too much. Many people (myself included) are starting to think the chain has been cut out completely...
Well that's possible. But I seem to remember in interviews, the boys saying that part of the money they got from HBO for the battle was so they could do the chain. I would argue that, instead of weasel soup, the chain is one of the best things in the series, along with the dragons' birth and Jon organizing the defense of the Wall. So I hope that they keep it, but it was clear from a recent interview they did with EW on the Blackwater episode that money is still a really big problem for the show. That's why they are cutting or minimizing characters right and left, including simplifying Arya's saga at Harrenhal and not getting into Hoat and the Northmen prisoners, or at least not yet.
I think if they cut some big things, that we just have to shrug and say oh well, they didn't have the cash. But this is going to become a huge problem with Storm, even if it is two seasons -- it's a lot of huge action pieces -- the razing of Winterfell now, the battle with the wights, the battle for the Wall with mastadons and giants and Stannis' army showing up, Dany's trail of conquering in the east with the Unsullied and getting to Mereen, and the Red Wedding.
Mance Rayder has not been cast, and I doubt very much we'll get to him before next season.
They'll still kill Halfhand and get Jon accepted in for episode 10.
As for Ramsay, I'm starting to think he will appear before the end of the season. He hasn't shown up in casting sides for S3 and Roose mentioning him several times in succession suggests to me he'll appear soon. Against all of the odds, he must have been successfully cast in secret without the fans cottoning on.
But you all said that was impossible.:D And if it's possible for Ramsay, it would be possible for Mance as well, I would think. I think we'll probably get no more than a glimpse of either of them or none, but we'll see what they do.
However, this makes zero sense considering Littlefinger's journeys. Even assuming Renly's 'camp in the Stormlands' was in the northern Stormlands, fairly close to King's Landing, it is impossible for Littlefinger to have travelled there from KL, up to Harrenhal, down to Highgarden and then (presumably) back to KL with the Tyrell army in so short a period of time.
We don't know that he's in Highgarden yet. He went to Storm's End (which they didn't map out in the map credits or talk about the castle much or even mention the name Storm's End much, but they seem to stick to the maps more or less so lets assume it's in the same place,) and then he went from Storm's End to Harrenhal to talk over the deal with Tywin. Tywin was at Harrenhal for weeks, it's been indicated that several weeks have passed since Renly's death, and it has to have been weeks for Cat and Brienne to make it back up to Robb's army in the Riverlands. If you believe that Cat and Brienne made it to Robb's army, and Littlefinger left Storm's End slightly after they did, then it's buyable that Littlefinger made it to Harrenhal. Then he leaves for Highgarden or Kings Landing, but not both, I don't think. Did they say that he already was in Highgarden and I missed it? In any case, I agree with that they covered a block of time of several weeks in the last three episodes, at least two, and that works with Theon's timeline, King's Landing and sort of Dany's. This of course, though, does not jive with Jon's saga in the North. You can give them say a week of Jon ranging with Halfhand before encountering Ygritte, maybe a tiny bit more, then Jon's saga with Ygritte is two days, then maybe another day marching him to the Lord of Bones, then maybe several days of marching with Halfhand, so that's barely two weeks, which doesn't match up. But in order to string out Jon's storyline, they're hoping we don't notice. It's not perfect, but it is a common tactic in t.v. shows and at least in Southern Westeros the staging is reasonably consistent.