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Luya Sevrein
April 10th, 2012, 03:50 AM
I am loving the Gendry/Arya/Yoren scenes, though I'd like them a bit more fleshed out. Yoren telling her to go into the woods to piss, and the wolves surrounding her but not attacking her. Them all trying to sleep listening to howls. Y'know? On the road~ stuff. Because in the promo, it looks like some fighting goes down next week.

Yara/Asha seems all right to me. I'm unsure if she commands enough of a prescence. She seems more subtley smug than Graghsghsghg axe lady.

I actually like Dany. She's nothing specail, but then I never believed Dany was anyway. She seems to have improved acting wise, and is reflecting a much more quiet, bitter outlook.

I also don't mind the sex scenes. Sex happens in life. People always complain about sex happening, yet not gore? Not torture? Is it some high-brow thing? Oh well. Spartacus did the same; but much more, and that still is one of the best written shows out in my opinion. Sex doesn't take away, it just doesn't really give either.

I'm also kind of sad to find that the person who wrote my favourite episodes from last season, such as 'A Golden Crown,' isn't writing any this season. : ( I recently watched all of Season 1 again for my friend, and by the time we got to Episode 1 of Season 2 I found it to be my least enjoyable. Too much talky-talky. But two I did enjoy. : D

Salladhor! Loved that guy.

Luya Sevrein
April 10th, 2012, 03:58 AM
And I have little doubt that the scene in the brothel was mainly there to further establish Ros as a serious character for this season; one of the s1 DVD commentaries said the writers have big plans for her, and I await future developments with much interest.

Ros is a serious character? I thought she was an exposition sponge/character development tool? Uh, that makes me uneasy.

In one way, George would have Okay'd it, so... Can't be so bad, but in another way, you know... You wrote your story, George, live by it. If you don't like what you've wrote now, tough, you've already put it out to the world and now it exists in public domain. I don't like these axings and additions.

But maybe they are doing an Alton Lannister on her and making her another character. Is she too young to be Tansy, if that woman was ever inportant? I said a funny post on tumblr. about her being;

Jon's mother,
Princess Rhaeneys, the true heir.
Quarthe unmasked,
Azor Ahai reborn,
Tysha,
Nymeria Sand,
etc etc.

Loerwyn
April 10th, 2012, 04:30 AM
I also don't mind the sex scenes. Sex happens in life. People always complain about sex happening, yet not gore? Not torture? Is it some high-brow thing?
But the sex scenes aren't good. The violence works because it kinda makes sense and looks good in context.

The sex scenes are just... gross. That one with Chinfluff and the girl on the boat? That was just vile. And then there was the horse scene, which was just... ugh.

Maybe I'm getting prudish in my old age. She says. After putting down Crystal Singer, Friday, the first Valor book, Take Back Plenty and numerous other books because of the sex in them.

kged
April 10th, 2012, 05:20 AM
That one with Chinfluff and the girl on the boat? That was just vile.It's meant to be though, isn't it? It's there to show Theon as the unmitigated scrote he is. His callousness towards that hapless girl was all part of the build-up to his self-imagined grand homecoming as the long-lost hero of the mad bad Ironborn. Him giving himself such airs, being so disdainful of her, throws the apathetic reception he actually gets in harbour into even sharper relief.

Loerwyn
April 10th, 2012, 05:24 AM
I understand that aspect, in that it's meant to show he'll put his *cough* in anything that moves, but I just... didn't like any sexual scene with him in.

Evil Agent
April 10th, 2012, 01:00 PM
The sex scenes are just... gross. That one with Chinfluff and the girl on the boat? That was just vile. And then there was the horse scene, which was just... ugh.Both those scenes are pretty much STRAIGHT from the book, and both are important to Theon's character development.

I don't understand the complaints at all...

Loerwyn
April 10th, 2012, 03:11 PM
I don't think it matters whether they're straight from the book, especially considering it's not the book.

Some of us are a bit finnicky when it comes to sex. When you have a chinfluffy guy with bad sex acting and bad sex talk in one scene and some really... questionable actions in the next scene, it's not generally going to sit well with us.

Evil Agent
April 10th, 2012, 05:28 PM
I don't think it matters whether they're straight from the book, especially considering it's not the book.

Some of us are a bit finnicky when it comes to sex. When you have a chinfluffy guy with bad sex acting and bad sex talk in one scene and some really... questionable actions in the next scene, it's not generally going to sit well with us.Ok, but I just don't understand your position at all. Sounds like your own personal issues with sexual content. The scenes were just fine, IMO, and there would have been a lot more outrage had they been cut (considering, as I said, that they're straight from the book). Also, the sex scenes are supposed to be disturbing, both in the book and the show. You're not supposed to "like" it. The books contain graphic sexual content, as do most HBO shows, so I'm not sure what you were expecting...

I think this is related to the larger general issue of North American (and maybe UK?) audiences having strange hang ups about sexual content, and yet no problem with extremely disturbing violence. Very bizarre, IMO.

Werthead
April 10th, 2012, 07:03 PM
HBO has renewed GAME OF THRONES for a third season (http://insidetv.ew.com/2012/04/10/game-of-thrones-renewed-3/?ew_packageID=20470532), to air in the Spring of 2013. At the moment it sounds likes the season will again consist of 10 episodes, although HBO has not officially confirmed this. However, in recent interviews the producers have said they cannot make more than 10 episodes a season without a substantial increase in budget and time, so it seems unlikely it will be more than this.

Season 3 will cover approximately the first one-half to two-thirds of A STORM OF SWORDS, the third novel in the SONG OF ICE AND FIRE sequence. The novel is too long (half again the length of the first) to be adapted into one season. According to the producers, they plan to culminate the season with an event code-named 'RW' (book readers should work this out immediately).

David Benioff and D.B. Weiss are returning to produce and co-write most of the season. George R.R. Martin should be contributing one episode as usual. It's too early to talk about casting, but major roles debuting in Season 3 should include Oberyn Martell, Mance Rayder and Tormund Giantsbane, as well as the delayed Edmure and Hoster Tully (and possibly the Blackfish). Production should resume in Belfast (and presumably Dubrovnik and Iceland) in June or July this year.



Ros is a serious character? I thought she was an exposition sponge/character development tool? Uh, that makes me uneasy.

In one way, George would have Okay'd it, so... Can't be so bad, but in another way, you know... You wrote your story, George, live by it. If you don't like what you've wrote now, tough, you've already put it out to the world and now it exists in public domain. I don't like these axings and additions.

George doesn't 'okay' anything. The producers sometimes ask his opinion on things and will either listen to him or ignore him. However, he doesn't have any real power or say over the day-to-day operation of the show. He isn't a showrunner or executive producer.

This is something that needs to be clearly understood. A SONG OF ICE AND FIRE is George R.R. Martin's baby and the thing he has total control and authority over. GAME OF THRONES, the HBO TV series, is controlled and run by David Benioff and Dan Weiss. GRRM is an advisor, at best, on that show and has an option to write an episode a season (which Benioff and Weiss will rewrite a lot of anyway). That's pretty much it.

There's been several changes already that GRRM has disagreed with and said as much to the producers - Marillion's mutilation and Mago's death in Season 1 immediately come to mind - but hasn't been listened to. Ros's character arc is a total invention of Benioff and Weiss. I believe the only thing that GRRM was consulted on was possibly her name (since he didn't like the term 'red-headed whore' in the script and asked to give her a name).

Palfrey
April 10th, 2012, 07:05 PM
Alright, I think I had that wrong and Saan is actually from Lys. I maintain my point on his manner of speaking though.

And I agree that Theon's sex scene had a point. The brothel scenes I certainly hope will have a point at some point. How many times can you say point in a post?