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juzzza
July 14th, 2003, 03:52 AM
Similar to Memento in construction, I.E. The scenes run in reverse, this is the most graphic and disturbing movie I have seen in a long time.

Monica Belluci and Vincent Cassell (sp?) star in this french movie out on DVD now.

I still haven't decided if I 'like' the film or not, although there is no doubting the quality of the talent and impact of the direction.

Have you guys seens it and what did you think?

Also watched Baise Moi, another controversial movie with hardcore sex scenes (the main cast members are porn actors), this film was almost banned in france. It's actually a pretty good road movie, very violent and not for anyone easily offended.

Ouroboros
July 14th, 2003, 03:59 AM
The rape scene was enough to put me off it, I wouldn't recommend it to anyone.

juzzza
July 14th, 2003, 04:04 AM
I can see why you would 'NOT' recommend it, it is certainly disturbing... My SO didn't get passed the opening scene in the nightclub, which makes the rape scene seem tame.

Did you watch it all, or turn it off during/after that scene?

I think the point of the movie was to try and get viewers to be disgusted and disturbed at the opening of the movie, but then for you to think back and say "Yea he deserves it" I am just not sure there was any need for how far it goes...

Ouroboros
July 14th, 2003, 04:17 AM
Eh, we watched it all... I didn't feel any moral outrage, I just generally felt put off my dinner.

kater
July 14th, 2003, 05:42 PM
I've seen it all, on an empty stomach, and can only think it too much, certainly the point was got across but at what cost? I think I'd say this is where artistic freedom has overstepped itself.

juzzza
July 15th, 2003, 04:09 AM
OK, so the three of us who saw it agree that it went to far...

Kaz
July 15th, 2003, 04:35 AM
I have yet to see this movie, but don't know if I really want to - from reading the comments by some people and watching the trailers I think it could be a bit on the sick side, even for me (and I can tolerate quite a lot).

I'll most likely watch it anyway, I prefer making up my own mind about things, but I found it mildly absurd that critics would refer to it as 'riveting', 'fantastic', etc etc etc as if the only thing that we can find to be riveting these days should be a bloody mix of sex & violence - like it's taking everyone's shocklimit & secret BDSM fantasies to new heights.............

Ouroboros
July 15th, 2003, 05:52 AM
There's also the fact that Irreversible is quite a manipulative project, with the production team pushing the buttons of the audience, media etc. Effectively the plan from day one was surely to ensure a long cult life by deliberately establishing nortoriety. This in and of itself might not necessarily be a bad thing if the end justified the means (i.e, if there was an overwhelmingly important message to impart). However, maybe it's me making an artificial distinction, but I do judge a difference between achieving this with run-of-the-mill blood and guts in comparison with a really graphic rape scene, and I think whatever message did exist was swallowed up by this.

I suppose that in a qualitative sense, Irreversible is not a bad film - but I think the subject matter is such that most people will not be able to look past the surface events of the movie.

juzzza
July 15th, 2003, 06:11 AM
The message is about perception, or at least that is my interpretation.

You see a horrific attack on a man, with no explanation. Apart from revulsion at his fate, you may also believe the attacker to be evil. By running the scenes backwards, the producers are controlling viewers' perceptions of what is right and wrong. As the story unfolds, and you see what the murdered man is capable of, I guess you question your initial beliefs and perception about his fate and indeed the motivation of his attacker.

Clever, but I agree with you that all this may get lost in the controversy.

Kaz
July 15th, 2003, 06:22 AM
Just to get this straight then, the rape scene is graphic to the point of being nauseating? I'd have to think then that it was probably done for shock value - gods, the mind boggles, whatever could they hope to achieve by doing that, why not go the route taken by films like The Accused - very successful without the need for gratuitous violence & sex? Although, if the opening scene is as severe as Juzzza says, the rape scene (and catalyst for the opening scene) had to be graphic, to give the notion that the punishment fits the crime or something.

Is the rest of the story any good?