[Fenn628]

Are we sure that Jon turned down Winterfell? I know that he accepted the leadership of the Wall but I don't remember him telling Stannis that he did not want Winterfell. He would have a tough time breaking the oath and all, but maybe he will be the first King of the "True" north meaning, marrying the Wilding woman (I forgot her name) leading the Wall, and Being lord of Winterfell. Farfetched but possible I think.

[Mithfânion]

I don't think the Jon and Winterfell matter is quite settled yet but I'd have to read the last section of Storm again to be absolutely sure of the importance Martin gives to the talk between Stannis and young Lord Snow.

I don't expect him ever to end up with Winterfell, though perhaps it's possible that he will have it temporarily, due to some twist of fate. When I'm thinking of this I can't wait to read more!

Obviously he won't betray the Gods. They are after all the Old Gods, the Gods of Winterfell itself http://www.sffworld.com/ubb/smile.gif

But perhaps some kind of compromise is made possible by GRRM.

[This message has been edited by Mithfânion (edited March 24, 2002).]

[Asraloth]

i pretty much agree with everything saintjon said about snow not being ned's at all and the reasons why, but i'm curious as to how GRRM wil reveal this in the future books.
correct me if i'm wrong, but there's no one alive who can verify that Jon is Rhaegar's and Lyanna's.

having said that, im sure GRRM got some way to reveal it.

[saintjon]

I bet Howland Reed would know.

[SirRob]

I agree with saintjon because ive been wondering about that for quite a while and had a small suspicion jons parents were lyanna and rhaegon after i read the bit (cant remmeber that well now) where Daenarys gets the vision of the man and the woman in the room. I might be completely wrong but i doubt it coz im so damn supasmart http://www.sffworld.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Mithfânion]

Yes, Howland Reed would be the number one suspect with regard to the disclosure of this particular bit of info. Perhaps Barristan/Whitebeard knows as well. And who knows what our latest digger from the past, Jaime Lannister, comes up with http://www.sffworld.com/ubb/smile.gif

[Eventine]

Maybe the Reed kids know as well...

[Asraloth]

forgive my ignorance, but how would howland reed know?

[Barbarossa]

Well Howland Reed is the only surviving companion of Eddard, who was at the "tower of joy". As far as we know he is the only survuvung person who was there at all, though Jon's wet nurse is a possible second candidate. I think it's no accident we were introduced to here other "milkson", Beric's squire.