[Erfael]

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[Erfael]

I really enjoyed this book quite a lot. It had an interesting alternate England and a relatively compelling mystery at its heart. I didn't have any particular attraction or distaste for Robert Borrows as a character, but that didn't seem to bother me at all.

The central mystery, What happened on the Engine Floor that day twenty years ago, was interesting, and MacLeod parcelled the information out about it in just enough quantity to keep me interested throughout.

The biggest issue this book seems to explore to me is the relation between the haves and the have nots. I couldn't really decide throughout the book whether it was really pro-socialist or whether just the characters were pro-socialist and the author was setting it up to have the book be anti-socialist. I guess it's hard to say because after the uprising England goes back to being pretty much what it is. Not sure if he's saying that the natural way for people to behave is to stratify into haves and have-nots rather than the ideal of socialism, no matter how much a group may believe that socialism is the way to go.

I found it somewhat interesting that in the end rather than a change of governmental style, which seemed to be building up throughout the book, what really changed was the people's conception of individual rights, in particular with regard to the trolls, but also somewhat in relation to guildless people.

There also seems to be some commentary there that the well-off are willing to sacrifice the working class to become more well-off. Mother Borrows' illness, at least to me, seemed to reflect upon the sorts of illnesses and dangers that industrial workers still face in the workplace, acceptable dangers within the profit margin, which even the government allows so as to not inconvenience large companies TOO much with safety and health issues.

It reminds me of something I heard from a lung doctor not too long ago. When OSHA was created in the early 70s and they were working on regulating asbestos, it was known that asbestos could cause some pretty nasty cancer. So OSHA wanted a warning placed on anything that contained asbestos that there were cancer risks involved. Well, big business and lobbyists being what they are, they thought that would cost them too much money if something actually used the word "cancer." So they lobbied and gave money to the right people and such and OSHA changed its tune. They allowed that the warning not say "cancer" but just something along the lines of "may pose health risks."

I guess the whole aether poisoning turning people into changelings reminded me a lot of that in many ways. There are certain risks to the common working man that are acceptable in the name of profits.

MacLeod did a fine job of making everything relevant. It's the kind of book that things happen that may seem like they don't really have any meaning to the whole story, but by the end everything has its place. There are no scenes that I can think of now that didn't somehow fit into the greater puzzle of the work, something that I wish more fantasy would do. So much fantasy, especially in the epic mold, has filler that doesn't mean anything. I think The Light Ages does it right. Nothing is wasted. If something happens, it's there for a narrative reason, not just because it would be cool to have a fight or some sex or a conversation about electricity or a trip to the shore for a big party.

Okay...not going to read back through this one, so if something doesn't make sense, sorry. Look forward to hearing other thoughts.

[FicusFan]

I am still reading. In fact I just started :o

It is ok, but slow. I may not be in the right mood for it.

[Erfael]

Ficus, I also found it to be slow--but a steady kind of slow rather than a boring kind of slow. I thought the pacing worked for what he was doing in the end. I hope you enjoy it.

[Luke_B]

Glad you enjoyed it Erfdawg. I read this one earlier in the year and loved it. Hmm, I guess that means most people here will hate it. :o

[FicusFan]

Ficus, I also found it to be slow--but a steady kind of slow rather than a boring kind of slow. I thought the pacing worked for what he was doing in the end. I hope you enjoy it.

It is starting to become something more than slow. It is still slow but it is taking shape. I wasn't crazy about the prolog, but the actual chapters are good. Although it is an alternate England and Aether mining it reminds me very much of the coal mining stories and of the movie (so far) How Green Was My Valley. I am warming up to the book. :)

[Erfael]

Yeah, the prologue meant nothing at all to me until rather late in the book. I was wondering for a while if it was anything more than a mood-setting just to open things up with something to make you go "Whaa?" before getting into the pace of novel.

[knivesout]

This is a very slow moving book, with a very dreamy, melancholy mood, but amply worth it. My own take on the political aspect of the book, which Erf touched on, was that it was basically reactionary in one sense - that it ultimately says, as far as revolutions go, 'say hello to the new boss - same as the old boss'. It seems to say that change is incremental - the new order in MacLeod's alternate England may be marginally more humane than the old one - and an overnight transformation is simply not a realistic goal. I'm not saying whether I agree or not, but that's what the brunt of the story seems to be.

I was deeply impressed by the book as a piece of character-centred fiction. I also found the parallels between Robert Borrows' story and that of Pip in Dickens' Great Expectations interesting - anyone have any theories on this aspect?

[Apathy]

It did not live up to my expectations. There is almost no action in it, and it got boring. Nothing in the book impressed me. It seemed slightly above mediocre. I kept expecting something that would move the book faster, but it just never happened. I really could not get into the characters either.
But to say in its defense is that it had a steady pace, there were no random sidequests, it was not particularily badly written, but still the overwhelming feeling I had at the end was of bitterness. I will not be reading any more of his books if they are similar to this. :(

[FicusFan]

Well I am still slogging along. I am only about 130 pages in and find it very slow going. The main character has just gone to London. I don't really care all that much about the character, and the story is so slow and anemic that it also has not hooked me. I find excuses to put it down, and avoid picking it up. In that respect, and the literary way it has been written the book reminds me of Little, Big . It also has the same problems with not much story and poor characters.

In terms of the theme in the book, I keep seeing aether as a substitute for coal. How it shaped and controlled the lives of those who mined it and those who used it. How those who owned the mines must have used their money and influence to also control and shape society and also technology to favor them and their product.

Because this is Spec Fic I then wonder if the author has written the book because he sees the same events today. I can only see the situation in terms of gas (oil) - which we have and depend on, even though it is bad for the environment and will eventually run out. Because the powerful business interests are committed to it, our technology is geared to it, and perhaps it also blocks development of other options. In the US especially the price is highly subsidized so we don't pay the full cost and end up as a class (consumers) demanding something better and cheaper.