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March 05 BOTM: Sunshine by Robin McKinley


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Eventine
March 14th, 2005, 05:14 PM
I was wondering how FicusFan would take this book, being our resident vampire nut.

Excuse the excessive quoting that's about to go on.

warmed over YA mush with a other authors' ideas

I can't really comment on the other authors' ideas bit, but YA? I was just wondering why you thought this was YA?

it is choppy, awkward, and in some passages incomprehensible, or she is deliberately using a style that she thinks suits her POV character - Sunshine

I thought the author did a good job of bringing us Sunshine's voice in the first person style here. The problem with that, is, as you say at times it can be very choppy and lacking in focus, especially when Sunshine is trying to understand something outside human perception - she (Sunshine) lacks the eloquence to convey her meaning.

when something bad happens she sneaks around and doesn't turn to those in her life that love her because -- she has committed the great sin of thinking for herself (befriending Con), and going against prejudice and stereotypes, and the social status quo (That all Vampires are Evil).

An analogy that helped me work with this was thinking of someone gay "coming out" a long time ago when it was extremely socially unacceptable. Imagine trying to tell something like that to your friends and family. chances are soem will be supportive - but then some won't and others will be just plain hostile. This was the feeling I felt Sunshine was going through.

The whole section where she fantasizes about the mutant-evil/magic gene combination (which just exists so she has a plausible reason to play the lone ranger with Con) is incomprehensible.

I'm with you on this one -- there's a few period's in the book where McKinley slips into flat out exposition mode, and it doesn't work.

In fact for someone who talks about being fascinated by the others, and having all this 'common knowledge' about them she never asks anything of the real thing. She never asks her mother about her father's family, or about her own.

That was frustrating as well. Sunshine's mother should have been such an important character in the novel, and isntead did what? Dumped charms in the kitchen. Hooray. This is where we really needed some exposition, not in a 6 page stretch about mixed blood lines.

The SOF are not very S or very powerful since they can't deal with the creature who runs them let alone actual vampires

One again I think that was sort of the point - the only force really stopping the vampires (apart from infighting) was reasonably toothless and basically there to give the population a warm fuzzy feeling. Those inside who cared, like Pat, realised that things were going pear shaped pretty quickly (hence the 100 year thing).

she used 'had had'

I noticed that as well, and while I'll defend the book being written in Sunshine's voice, that was just too much.


As far as concerns about why Bo had Connie chained instead of just killing him, I thought they sufficiently explained it was torture. There was no way (in their mind) that Connie could escape, and thus they were slowly driving him insane with sunshine (note the lack of capitalisation there :))
What wasn't explained was why Connie didn't just chow down on Sunshine - what made him different from the other Others (OK, that's it for fun with capitalisation).


So to sum up: I thought Sunshine's voice mostly worked, although when it failed it failed pretty bad. Some parts of the book were filled with exposition, but unfortunately not the parts that mattered. The best part of the book was the first third - it has the thrill of Sunshine being locked up but is before the hard to explain vampire powers and the exposition pieces on bloodlines and vampire culture.

Overall I'd say I liked it but that it didn't set my world on fire and probably wouldn't warrant a re-read.

intensityxx
March 14th, 2005, 08:54 PM
I was wondering how FicusFan would take this book, being our resident vampire nut.Is a vampire nut anything like a fruit bat? :confused:

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Rob B
March 14th, 2005, 10:29 PM
I stopped reading this one, I was quite disappointed, especially since I nominated the book. :( After about 100 pages all I really got out of the book was that the protagonist really enjoys baking and has some magical powers. There really wasn't enough story to keep me interested, long descriptive passages that slowed things down quite a bit.

If the background of the Others and the world of the novel were more interwoven into conversations between characters, it may have been better. As it was, the protagonist reminded me of the really annoying girls I stayed away from in college, who prattled on and on and on incessantly.

I'm also disappointed since this is the second "recommendation" Neil Gaiman has let me down on.

Eventine
March 14th, 2005, 10:51 PM
Fitz just reminded me of one of the other really annoying aspects of the book, and this was more a personal one.
I like to read in set parcels. Knock off at the end of a chapter and head to bed sort of thing. It also helps me find where I'm up to (I don't use a bookmark, and can usually flip through a book until I find a nearby chapter).
This novel was a lot more frustrating though - the lack of clear chapters made it hard for me to decide if it was a good point to stop reading, and harder to start back up again because it wasn't clear where I was up to.

As I said though it's a personal thing and I won't hold it against the author.

FicusFan
March 14th, 2005, 11:17 PM
Is a vampire nut anything like a fruit bat? :confused:

So which is better to be a nut with fangs or a fruit bat ? Oh well.

Rob B
March 15th, 2005, 12:15 PM
Fitz just reminded me of one of the other really annoying aspects of the book, and this was more a personal one.
I like to read in set parcels. Knock off at the end of a chapter and head to bed sort of thing. It also helps me find where I'm up to (I don't use a bookmark, and can usually flip through a book until I find a nearby chapter).
This novel was a lot more frustrating though - the lack of clear chapters made it hard for me to decide if it was a good point to stop reading, and harder to start back up again because it wasn't clear where I was up to.

As I said though it's a personal thing and I won't hold it against the author.
Yeah, this got to me too. I like the clean breaks, whether they are section or chapter breaks. For me, this really added to the sense that the book (up to about page 150 where I gave up) was just one long run-on of a self-absorbed character.

Yes, I know this was first person narrative, but I guess that's the risk the writer runs when writing first person narratives. However, I don't recall FitzChivalry Farseer being so self absorbed, or Caine/Hari Michaelson being so wrapped up in himself.

Part of me wanted to find out more about Bo's motivations but Sunshine's incessant running-on of backstory left me really uncaring.

To sum it up, I think my overall, largest problem, was that the amount of exposition and backstory far outweighed the actual story and progression of events. It almost felt as if this story could have been trimmed down into a novella-length story and maybe, just maybe, it would have been more readable.

FicusFan
March 15th, 2005, 10:59 PM
I think the real reason that there was no more story information was because of the type of main character Sunshine was. She was self-absorbed, and not very bright, and totally lacking in intellectual curiosity. RMK actually adjusted her writing style to reflect Sunshine - she really wanted it to be told from her POV, and to bring the reader into her world.

That is why I called it YA, because Sunshine is a YA - a blank slate, a young person who is still trying to figure out how to live, and she is thrown into a situation over her head. Rather than swim, or even sink interestingly, she does nothing.

The impression I had was that it was like RMK found this character and said I am going to write a book about you, and Sunshine said 'no thanks, not interested', and RMK went ahead and wrote the book, and Sunshine thought if she ignored everything we would all go away.

And I have to disagree FitzChivarly was a whiny wimp who couldn't get out of his own way, or make any real decisions. I think he would make a good companion for Sunshine :)

I never noticed there weren't chapters, there seemed to be some organization and I thought it was fine. I use a bookmark so I didn't have a problem finding where to pick up, and I would read until I got too tired, or ran out of time.

Rob B
March 16th, 2005, 12:12 PM
FitzChivalry was a bit of a lunkhead sometimes, but he was more interesting and didn't ramble on as much as Sunshine.

I like this:The impression I had was that it was like RMK found this character and said I am going to write a book about you, and Sunshine said 'no thanks, not interested', and RMK went ahead and wrote the book, and Sunshine thought if she ignored everything we would all go away.

Nimea
April 1st, 2005, 06:06 AM
Argh, this is so embarrassing. First joking about whether or not I make it to really post about the book during March - and then to fail utterly. :(

Way too much going on in my life. ;) (Got a party tonight, still have lots to do for it.)

But I am not in the April discussion anyway, so I got four more weeks to try to get something posted in here. ;)

 

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