sffworld.com

sffworld.com (http://www.sffworld.com/forums/index.php)
-   Fantasy / Horror (http://www.sffworld.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=6)
-   -   ASOIAF Question (http://www.sffworld.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2028)

Eventine December 10th, 2001 03:49 AM

ASOIAF Question
 
G'Day everyone.
Quick question here, and hopefully someone will be able to easily answer it. It does contain a minor spoiler though, so be warned
...
SPOILER
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
I am currently rereading the series, and I am about 80 pages into book 2.
Now onto my query:
While Robert is alive, he talks to Ned about his plans to foster Robert Aryn with the Lannisters.
Pretty much everyone that Ned and Catelyn talk to after that go "Lannisters? No, he was going to be fostered with Stannis."

What I can't remember is that if over the the next book and a half, this discrepancy is explained. Can anyone tell me if this is explained?

And if not, does anyone have any theories as to why Robert told Ned he was going to foster Jon Aryns son with the Lannisters when everyone else was under the impression he was going to be fostered with Stannis?

Shehzad December 10th, 2001 02:58 PM

read on.....

Eventine December 11th, 2001 01:37 AM

I'd just forgotten whether it came up again, or whether it was something that got explained.

Thanks Shehzad - that's all I needed to know...

Shehzad December 11th, 2001 07:08 AM

One more thing--after you're through with all 3 books read the topic on ASOIAF theories....but NOT before!

Eventine December 11th, 2001 08:10 AM

I've read them before, but this one point slipped my mind, and has been grating ever since - hence the post.

Eventine December 11th, 2001 08:24 AM

And for those interested, the topic Shehzad was talking about is here:
ASOIAF Theories

Shehzad December 11th, 2001 05:52 PM

Aaahh IIRC Robert initially wanted to foster Robert Aryn with Stannis but he later changed his mind due to political reasons--perhaps to placate the Lannisters.

Eventine December 19th, 2001 02:01 AM

Storm of Swords Spoilers.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.
.

OK,

I am posting this here because I felt the "I started GRRM" thread was too bloated and a bit innapropriate for this.

In Cannon Fodders last post on that topic, it was pointed out that Catelyn didn't die.

I really want to discuss this, as I think something really funny is going on here.

I was pretty convinced she was dead. Not many people get back up and walk around after having their throat slit and being dumped in a river.
I can't recall exactly, and don't have the book on hand, but I am pretty sure that Nymeria thought Catelyn was dead as well.

So if, as all evidence would suggest, Catelyn died, why is she still up and about at the end of the book?
Also, she didn't seem much like the Catelyn we go to know previously - she was never much of a murderer.

So is Catelyn alive? Or a zombie-Catelyn? Or will GRRM write it off as a dream sequence?

Barbarossa December 19th, 2001 02:11 AM

Well she is with people of the brotherhood at the end, so I think it's a safe assumption she was revived by Thoros the priest in a similar way to Dondarrion, that would make her a kind of zompie I guess.

Bardos December 19th, 2001 02:51 AM

I think she just seemed dead (necrophania, I think is called), but she really wasn't; just her vocal chords were severed. Thought being revived by Thoros could also be tru. But can he do it so easily with all people??...

Eventine December 19th, 2001 03:34 AM

I used the word zombie because I thought she wasn't acting much like herself. Maybe the revival process changes you somehow - a lot of mention went into how much Berric had changed. I was convinced the hound had killed him.

Maybe Thoros can't revive the dead, but can stop people who are very close to dying from crossing the threshold? If that is the case, Catelyns behaviour can be assigned to the fact that she went mad before she died.

I hope Thoros and Berric have a greater role in the future books, there are alot of questions to be answered about them.

Theory: Berric Dondarion will end up being king. I know it is a longshot but:
He is leading popular underground.
Melisandre keeps talking about the king being a hero reborn with a flaming sword. Maester Aemon noticed that he could feel no heat from Stannis' sword. We know Berric's has plenty of flame though - it lit the hounds shield up.

It is too long to wait for the next book...

Bond December 19th, 2001 05:04 AM

It only makes sense "magic" of this sort exists as a counterbalance to the kind used by the Others.

Eventine December 19th, 2001 06:11 AM

There are definite parallels between the priests of the light and the Others. Both haven't been explained very well. Both have the ability to bring people back for the dead.

How much of Melisandres abilities come from her worship? We only have one other person to compare her to (Thoros) and she seems much more powerful.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 01:04 PM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.4
Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Copyright 2008 sffworld.com