Post #177 Gary -- "And where were the church fathers then? Where was the church Father?"
You mean what happened to Catholic policy? See my next reply (178). You mean what happened to the people who pointed out that what the tyrannical governments were doing was wrong? They died. The tyrannical governments killed them along with every other dissenting voice.
Where was the church Father, capital F? He was on the throne, in control, same as always. Why didn't he step in and zap Stalin and the boys? It has to do with free will. God allows mankind to make its own choices (like setting up a form of government predicated on atheism), then he lets them examine the consequences.
Post #178 Maus -- "Why would the church change to the will of men if God was right the first time around?"
Obviously because the church leaders at the time were more afraid of men that would hurt them than a God who disapproved of their actions. Yes, the Catholic church colluded with the Nazis. Some of the Protestant leaders did too. What happened to the Protestant leaders who spoke out against Hitler? They died. What happened to the christians who hid Jews in their attics? If they were found out, they died. That's the thing with faith. I've already said it. Some believe more than others. You know what? You get to find out who believes what when the answer to standing up for Biblical doctrine is followed by those words -- "they died".
"Why does the Vatacin hide so many documents?"
If the Vatican is trying to conceal all of the Gnostic books of the third and fourth centuries then they need to get on the ball, they missed about three hundred of them. But those were written hundreds of years after the fact. The eyewitness accounts are in the Bible. The dispatches from Roman governors of the era corroborate that christians believed Jesus had risen from the dead and that he was God in the flesh.
"Ok, I'm a conspiracy theorist."
I know, I know, the catholics and there priest/ninjas going around fomenting coverups and killing the one guy who can proove that Jesus was the mass hallucination of a bunch of drunk Jews. First off, I trust you can tell the difference between reality and fiction. Second, if you ever find out that there really are 'priest/ninjas', tell me. I want to be one. I mean how cool would that be?
Okay, the wife is getting mad. More tomorrow.