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June 26th, 2005, 08:12 AM #1
Will someone please tell me what I am missing here? How disjointed have we become? You can go to the department store and buy your 12 year old daughter perfume by Paris Hilton, you can turn on the TV and your kids can learn how to be a Hilton, then you can go to the computer and play them her porno video! Talk about lying to oneself!! What is wrong with this picture?
June 26th, 2005, 08:49 AM #2
Can't help you Gary, I don't get it either. I have NO idea why this girl is so famous. What does she have to offer? (Besides the obvious looseness of character). It truly is disgusting that she's making so much money off of being "a stupid spoiled wh_re". Did you see that episode of South Park where all the little girls decide to be just like Paris Hilton, because it's cool to be a "stupid spoiled wh_re" now? It's pretty funny, but sad too. Our society is truly troubled when we put people like her on a pedestal.
June 26th, 2005, 09:12 AM #3
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Well, I believe that if we just pretend that she doesn't exsist then MAYBE she will disappear! Hopefully! Hilton seems to be the epidemic of our culture. We can only look at the glittery stuff like raccoons. FOX "News" and other news outlets give us the insipid "Runaway Bride" or other non-news to keep us entertained and I see Hilton as that...entertainment without thought.
We seem to be slowly, but surely, slipping down that slope of passive living. Where we'd rather, it seems, to be entertained or mesmerized than actually try to think, read and learn.
June 26th, 2005, 12:48 PM #4
"Passive living..." That's well put. Most people think so little for themselves, but instead they go along with whatever they're told is cool at the moment. It's so much easier to do that, to never have to go against the flow.
I think it all started with that TV show a few years back, "Who Wants to Marry A Millionaire." I thought it was disgusting in many ways. Lots of people thought it was disgusting, including members of my family. But then everyone (not me though) watched it anyway, out of curiousity I guess. They found it fascinating in some way. Then another reality tv show came out, and another, and soon everyone forgot what it was that had bothered them about those shows to begin with. My family, who bemoaned "Who Wants to Marry A Millionaire" were virtually glued to their television set throughout the first "Bachelor" series. Their principles changed so quickly when they realized that "everyone else is doing it".
I don't really understand the psychology here because I'm rather stubborn myself--it takes a lot to make me change my mind about something. But I can see that many people have become gradually more tolerant of lots of stuff over the past few years. Maybe because most people don't want to be left out of the general trend? But the thing is that everyone is just following other people that are following them...I don't know if I'm making any sense here, but basically I just want to say that it's pathetic how little most people actually think for themselves. And it's sad that the result of this is everyone thinking Paris Hilton must be really something if she's on TV and has her own perfume.
It's unsettling to wonder what's coming next for our society.
June 27th, 2005, 03:58 AM #5
Originally Posted by Gary Wassner
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Charles II's court set a fashion for anything scientific being a suitable pasttime for a "gentleman"
The regency newspapers went on about the Regent and his affairs and folks copied his "fashion" in clothes and buildings.
With Victoria a whole generation went Scottish!
Heck Edward VII was the "Playboy Prince" who's every action the press hung on.
And don't get me started on Diana P of W,
Paris Hilton is just a variation on a theme, perhaps with the media being more intrusive into your personal space we notice it more.
As for reality TV, I roared with laughter at the spoof on it on Dr Who a couble of weeks ago... Get evicted from the big brother house and be turned into food for tin cans (Daleks)
June 27th, 2005, 08:37 AM #6
But I think there is a difference here. Paris Hilton should not be a role model. She is an example of a society that has lost sight of all sense of morality. The gap between reality and fantasy, dreaming of being a celebrity etc, is one thing. But how do parents forget that this girl has nothing positive to offer their children? Do they really want their kids to make sex videos with their boyfriends/girlfriends?
Every type of entertainment provides an escape of one sort or another. That's what entertainment is all about. But some types are healthier than others. The fascination with celebrity is nothing new, as some of you pointed out already, but the choice of celebrity is a commentary on the society that is embracing them. What does is say about us that Paris Hilton is high on the 'embrace' list?
June 27th, 2005, 11:27 AM #7
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I think that we are living in an age of extremes be it political or entertainment-wise. The mundane just doesn't seem to excite us much. Look at the growing trend in comic book movies and the like, it seems that we're having more and more power fantasies put on screen, both big and small.
I see "reality" shows and celebes like Paris and Britney Spears as a polarization of our society. These phenomon have little talent, but HUGE PR and little thought behind them. Even elections are getting more about character assassination than issues and we , the voter, are just as passive and apathetic in that arena as we are in who we praise.
I think that once we find someone or thing or the combination that we'll snap out of it...maybe. Until then, I'll keep my nose buried in a book or watch something with substance.
June 27th, 2005, 12:11 PM #8
..and worst of all Paris Hilton is nasty and skanky looking.
June 27th, 2005, 12:17 PM #9
She really is. And she has no manners. I have had the unfortunate occasion of being in the same room with her. So who makes these decisions? Don't they have any concern whatsoever for the total idiocy of it all? Paris Hilton, best known for her money, her stupidity, her trampiness, is gracing the covers of main stream fashion magazines. No pride at all.
June 27th, 2005, 01:23 PM #10Do they really want their kids to make sex videos with their boyfriends/girlfriends?
People decided they could make money off of her, just like the many other teen idols out there, and that is sufficient to motivate them to do it. I think it is related to many problems in out society, one of which is pandering to the 18 yo's because they are most easily separated from their money.
June 27th, 2005, 01:25 PM #11
I must say the Paris Hilton Phenomenon baffles me. To me it's something along the lines of "people with money get more money because they're known for having money". *Shrugs*
As to sex appeal and moral messages: I'm infinitely more baffled by the Pamala Anderson phenomenon. With Paris Hilton, I can see the attraction if I try (despite finding her voice infinitely grating). But with Pamala Anderson... the only time I can see how she can be attractive is when they show her boozed up and depressed; probably because then it's harder to hide the person.
Paris Hilton my be a spoilt brat (and my Paris Hilton Attention Span isn't long enough to actually even confirm that), but once you accept that, what's the big deal? I guess it's where you place the accents. I, for one, find breast augmentation and botox (sp?) lips as an expression of attractiveness infinitely more worrying than sex videos or a lack of manners.
June 27th, 2005, 01:32 PM #12Originally Posted by Prunesquallor
That's a bit harsh, that statement, I feel.
June 27th, 2005, 02:19 PM #13
So what's going on here? Paris and Pamela are mainstream personalities now. Years ago, that would have been totally impossible. The only excuse for that kind of promiscuousness was immense talent, like Janis Joplin and Bette Middler during the 70's. And back then, even though they had tremendous talent, they were left wing, fringe artists who appealed to a newly liberated segment of the world's youth. They are popular because of their promiscuousness and lack of talent. It's a frightening mentality and you certainly can't blame them.
The tolerance level today has risen so high, and it's not tolerance for values like freedom of choice and religious freedom, and definitely not for women's rights or gay rights. It's tolerance for behaviour that is dumb, unproductive, lewd and not even sexy. It's just trash. Two current network television stars are also internet porn stars. Maybe it's Bill Clinton's fault. I have friends who have young daughters - 12, 13 14 - and they don't consider oral sex, sex. They really don't. In the middle school in the area that I live, there was a dollar bill club. Figure out what you could get for a dollar!
June 27th, 2005, 06:04 PM #14
Dawn, if your point was that she would be a different person if she had grown up in a different environment, I agree.
My point was that if she - as she is now - was in the same position as most people in the world, having to take care of herself - holding an ordinary job, paying bills, etc - she could not do it. I doubt you watched any of her reality TV show, but I did. She can't do basic addition. She can't calculate correct change. I could go on. I don't think she actually thinks about much, because I don't think she has had to. And I think that the old cliche "use it or lose it" applies.
Gary, I don't think there is a simple answer to your question. I have typed up and deleted a lot of words here. Some random thoughts:
*there are a lot of people making money off of this stuff.
merchants of cool
* the people who work to put the brakes on the sort of thing you discuss all too often tie this into a larger religious and moral agenda, which diminishes the appeal of this work to many of us. I would support a candidate who wanted to impose some real limits on prime time tv, but I would be much less inclined to do so if that candidate was doing this as part of a larger religious agenda.
*I think our puritanical heritage is coming back to bite us in the posterior. The best way to get attention for a product is to flash a bit of skin. The appropriate reponse to janet jackson's nipple incident was, IMO, "poor thing, look what she needs to do to get attention". Instead, it dominates the news and the promoters get the publicity the wanted.
*Some of the silly things (Covering the statue of justice, for example) that happen trivialize the real problem, making it easier for teens or whoever to frame things as a choice between silly rules made up by someone else or rules I choose for myself. Of course, they are not really deciding for themselves (see above, the merchants of cool)
sorry if this is rambling or incoherent
June 27th, 2005, 06:20 PM #15
It's neither rambling nor inchoerent.
I agree with much of what you just said. I am not a proponent of censorship of any kind. I am just constantly amazed at the abyssmal level of concern that so many people have with regard to their own choices. If this is what the public seems to want, then capitalism will provide it and someone will make money. It's the fact that people want this, want to see her, that I don't understand. And what makes me more concerned is that this blindness and lack of integrity is becomming a part of society. When what was formerly considered to be unacceptable behaviour becomes more than acceptable, becomes something to aspire to, and parents encourage it without speaking out, I worry about the future.
We are just becomming inured to things that repelled us in the past. I don't think that it's a question of morality as much as it is a matter of taste. Where is art?