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    Hobbit's NON-SPOILER Feast Review.

    Not sure if this is an 'official' review yet, or just a comment. Hobbit.
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    A Feast for Crows, George RR Martin.
    Book Four of A Song of Ice and Fire series.

    ISBN: 0002247437

    775 pages. Published UK, October 2005; the US, November 2005.

    I guess it’s no big secret here at sffworld that I am, and have been for a long time, a fan of George RR Martin’s work. Going back to Dying of the Light, Windhaven and Fevre Dream, reading the Tuf Voyaging stories in Analog in the 1980’s, and then tracking down the difficult to get (well, at least in the UK) book version… you get the idea.

    I was, and am, a hardcore fan.

    To me, George seemed to cover it all – horror, science fiction, fantasy, TV, even comics.

    And when the first book in the Song of Ice and Fire series came along in 1996 (A Game of Thrones) I was further astonished. The book had everything – horror, chivalry, violence, complex motives, treachery, deceit, sex, death, a huge and wonderful (and not so wonderful!) range of characters, a fabulously varied and well-realised land to explore…. It was something magnificent. Rereading the book recently reminded me how much I enjoyed it, (and how complex its multi-layered narrative was!).

    Book 2 (A Clash of Kings) followed in 1999. A slower read for me this one, but still eagerly read.

    Book 3 (A Storm of Swords) fell into my hands in 2000. What an ending!

    And then – nothing.

    I waited. Waited. Waited. Waited.

    The two Dunk and Egg short stories, in the Legends books, though good, did little to sate my appetite.

    And now, nearly ten years after the series started, and five years since Storm, I have a copy of A Feast for Crows. Here. In my hands. Now.

    After the delays, the expansion from the originally planned trilogy to something that looks like being seven books, the need to overlap events and repeat events from a variety of perspectives, the controversial re-editing of this book in particular to concentrate on the characters of the Westeros and King’s Landing regions (leaving Daenerys and the dragons pretty much behind for the next book, A Dance with Dragons) - the questions raised in my mind over the past five years still resurface.

    After five years of what has clearly been a long and painful process, has it been worth the wait? Is it possible that George may have lost it? Could the book possibly meet the expectations set by voracious readers, hungry for more but rarely fed for the last five years or so? How has the splitting of the book affected the narrative?

    OK. The book is fabulous. FABULOUS.

    From the opening sentence of the Prologue’s fifteen pages to the last of the book’s 685 pages, (with a multisectioned Appendix of 90 pages), I have been entranced. It is an interesting game George plays, and undoubtedly not an easy one. But I am pleased to write that yes, the book is worth it. The fact that I have read this huge tome in a matter of a few days proves it to me.

    There are definite surprises; I was very pleased that George can still surprise. Though I suspect that in the whole scheme of things the revelations in this book will not have the same impact as the ending of A Storm of Swords, there are moments when Feast is pretty close.

    And no, I’m not going to give away any spoilers.

    Complaints? Having said earlier that I am a fan, I must also declare that if I thought there were things wrong with the book, I would say so. If pushed, I might say, for example, that I was disappointed that in the UK the cover has changed style, from one of my beloved Jim Burns covers to something more esoteric, yet more commercially friendly.

    I might also say that the fact that this is not a stand-alone book might create problems for some readers. Feast is not a ‘book’ in the conventional sense of the word. There are typical mid-series book concerns - the beginning will leave those who have not read previously confused, the ending will leave those who have followed the long journey so far thinking ‘Where’s the rest?’ But I guess coming into the series at this point is not something most people would do.

    My main gripe with the book itself was that at times there was a feeling that this was book ‘three-and-a-half’ rather than book four, as it was rather strange not to have the broad multi-stranded narrative of the previous three books. I did miss some of the characters that have been left to appear in A Dance With Dragons, and I can see some readers being both disappointed and frustrated at this or that character’s absence.

    Having said that, I applaud George for making a stand and not just splitting the book in half. What is here together feels right.

    The sum of it, despite my (very minor) moans, is that for those who have waited for the arrival of Feast, it has been a long wait.

    But it has been worth it.

    And the fact that the end left me wanting: hell, it kept me awake for nights whilst I finished it! - is a good sign that the series is not done for yet.

    Hopefully not too long until mid-2007, when Dance of Dragons is allegedly due. But just in case, I’m not holding my breath.


    Hobbit, October 2005
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    Sleep, now........
    Mark

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    very good review !! thanks a lot Hobbit!
    glad to know you enjoyed it. It's rassuring because i saw mixed feelings about the book.
    i just received my copy and now i can't wait to read it!

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    Good review, Hobbit! But it's made me even more impatient for the book. It was good to hear you allay some of my fears, whilst confirming the more minor ones (missing some of the characters) which aren't a big deal.

    Regarding the whole 'Book 3.5' thing, would you say that it doesn't really feel like it's own volume? Does it have a plot, does it have any resolution at all? And what do you think the next book will feel like? Another halfway book, or a solid book in its own right?
    And now, nearly ten years after the series started, and five years since Storm, I have a copy of A Feast for Crows. Here. In my hands. Now.
    I can't wait for that feeling!

    So Hobbit, how do you feel? After years of aSoIaF-hunger, do you feel satisfied? One of the most annoying things about waiting for books and movies, is that after a few hours or days, you once again have to wait. But did this dose of Martin fill your belly? How was the 'feast'?

    Lastly, I would really like to know the POVs in this book. Maybe not any new surprise ones, but at least which regular characters make an appearance. I don't know if this is an appropriate thread for that, but I don't really want to delve into the spoiler threads either...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Evil Agent
    Lastly, I would really like to know the POVs in this book. Maybe not any new surprise ones, but at least which regular characters make an appearance. I don't know if this is an appropriate thread for that, but I don't really want to delve into the spoiler threads either...
    Ooh, yeah, no POV's in this thread, please sirs and ma'ams. Though you could state if their are any new ones, that would be OK with me, anyway. I really enjoy stumbling upon new POV's in Martins books (Davos's POV's, chapters I initially hated, became some of my favorites. Weird.)

    Anywho, thanks for the spoiler-free review. I was going to be a hardcore fan and import one from Britain, but I wasn't willing to pay the twenty extra US$ to have it a week or so early. So until November!

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    A very good review Hobbit! I do agree with you on the covers issue, now not only does Feast stand out becasue its a hardback, but it in addition has a completely different cover to the rest of my copies.



    Still, im 150 pages in and im taking a short break! But the marvels im reading so far .... this is a big BIG reminder why myself and so many others enjoy these books so much!

    PAH, sleep is for weaklings, ONWARD!!

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    Thanks, Hobbit. I'm glad to hear the book is worth the agonizing wait we all indured. Too bad i have to wait until November...

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    Thanks Hobbit fot allaying my fears. Glad to see GRRM is still on his game. After all the delays and the split of the book I was afraid that Martin would go follow the path of the evil Robert "The Milker" Jordan.

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    You the man Hobbit! Oxymoronic language aside, cheers for the review that all of us whom are still waiting for the book really needed to read. It is a relief to know he's still on course with the story. My concerns over the way he decided to go with this one were small, but still there, and its good to know they won't over-shadow the pleasure that we derive from Martin.
    STILL WAITING for my copy mind
    AND I've been told that my order has been delayed

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    Along with the others, much thanks to Hobbit for
    a great non spoiler review. Very settling and exciting
    to see you say, "it just feels RIGHT"...That sentiment
    was heartening to read, because I think that is what
    we all wanted to hear and were hoping to get from Feast.
    I am that much more excited now..

    -Snowlock

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    I can't wait for November 11, when I get to meet GRRM and get him to sign my copy of AFfC...

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    I find it interesting you mention the seven prologue chapters. Is there a difference between editions or something? The one I just read had one prologue chapter (it wasn't any of the seven originally planned for the prologue; it was set in Oldtown), and the seven were expanded to nine and spread throughout the book.

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    Many many thanks for your kind words.... and embarrassed apologies.

    There are errors in the review, that in my post-Martin sleeplagged state I have just realised I have left in. This was an earlier draft not the final version.

    I am clearly a weakling in need of sleep....

    APOLOGIES.


    My original point was that the Appendices (not the Prologue!) has seven chapters/sections. I was so intent on not giving spoilers away, I made a basic error. Having been back and recounted, there are actually four subsections; (and an Acknowledgements and an About the Author) but I didn't want to say what they are, because that would be a spoiler! For the record, the Appendices take up 64 pages.

    Maths seem to have been my problem!

    The Prologue is actually 15 pages long. What I meant to say about the beginning was that there is one chapter named Prologue, but in addition there are a number of chapters (not seven, but three!) which introduce the book and events from different perspectives. The first main character that we meet from previous books is at page 46.

    There is also a 15 page extract from Dance with Dragons at the very end, of the book; but this may not be new as it was shown earlier on the web at George's website.

    Sincere apologoies.

    Met Mr Martin this evening at a book signing. Will say more when I come back, after more sleep.

    Hobbit
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    One last one before I sleep;

    Regarding the whole 'Book 3.5' thing, would you say that it doesn't really feel like it's own volume? Does it have a plot, does it have any resolution at all? And what do you think the next book will feel like? Another halfway book, or a solid book in its own right?
    No, what George has done is create an element of the story which reads together well. There are more plot developments, and new characters, and the story does move forward, though not quite in the way I expected - it is not a good idea to try and think ahead of GRRM!

    But it is still a middle book of a series. As with anything like that, it is perhaps unfair to expect it to stand alone. A book this complex, in a series this wideranging, can't do it. I must reemphasise that having said the book is a middle book, it is not a book there just for filler. Apologies if I gave that impression!

    After years of aSoIaF-hunger, do you feel satisfied? One of the most annoying things about waiting for books and movies, is that after a few hours or days, you once again have to wait. But did this dose of Martin fill your belly? How was the 'feast'?
    Yes, I still think that Martin is producing quality work. And I admire his decision to split the book in this way, rather than just a normal book split. It has become a split geographically rather than chronologically.

    I am fairly full, thank you. I am sure that the time until Dance will be kept busy. There is a new Dunk and Egg story soon. And George has said that Dance should not be long. 500 pages already, 500 to go.

    Hobbit
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    Good to hear!

    By the way, can anyone tell me how to find the 2nd Dunk and Egg story? I can never seem to find Legends 2. Is that the only place it appears? I know there's a comic book of the first one at least, but is there any sort of novel-version expanded Hedge Knight or Hedge Knight 2?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hobbit
    what George has done is create an element of the story which reads together well. There are more plot developments, and new characters, and the story does move forward, though not quite in the way I expected - it is not a good idea to try and think ahead of GRRM!
    Talking of predicting Martin, I can't help feel he cheated us a little in this case, since he gave us a twist we couldn't possibly have predicted - one which couldn't occur to us because he'd never given us those particular bits of backstory before. Somehow seems a little unfair.

    [Edited, since he will insist... now this post is just looking ridiculous.]
    Last edited by Murrin; October 20th, 2005 at 07:44 PM.

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