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    So I just finished AGoT. Awesome, just awesome. It sucks that he killed Eddard off, but I'm getting over it. Anyway, on to the questions:

    On the second to last Daenerys chapter, I'm a little confused. Drogo could not ride, so most of his khal wanted to abandon him, or at the very least kill the Maegi who did this. That was who Ser Jorah was fighting while the Maegi was in the tent performing the ritual. In the aftermath, his bloodriders stayed with Daenerys while others fled, right? Now, on to Daenerys. She miscarried, right? Now all that talk by Ser Jorah about giving birth to a dragon, did I read right? Her son was a dragon? Also, the Maegi made her miscarry on purpose, right? That's what I read. I'm not too sure. Thanks for the help.

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    Yes. The Maegi made her miscarry, sacrificing her son to save Drogo (life for life), though killing the prophecised leader who'd unite the Dothraki and conquer the world was probably enticing to her as well (this is also GRRM's way of telling us that prophecies are not set and can be undone in his world).

    We also don't know exactly what happened to Dany's baby (aside from the fact it's dead, though crackpot 'the baby survived and is still around!' theories have cropped up from time to time). The Maegi said all kinds of freaky things but IIRC that was just to upset Dany. She didn't literally give birth to a dragon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperchord24 View Post
    Drogo could not ride, so most of his khal wanted to abandon him, or at the very least kill the Maegi who did this. That was who Ser Jorah was fighting while the Maegi was in the tent performing the ritual. In the aftermath, his bloodriders stayed with Daenerys while others fled, right?
    Werthead answered everything else, but no, Drogo's Bloodriders didn't stay. Jorah had to kill them, or they would have killed Dany and the Maegi for what the Maegi did to Drogo, and for practicing taboo Bloodmagic.

    Dany's young bodyguards became her new Bloodriders, but not until after she hatched the Dragons,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werthead View Post

    We also don't know exactly what happened to Dany's baby (aside from the fact it's dead, though crackpot 'the baby survived and is still around!' theories have cropped up from time to time). The Maegi said all kinds of freaky things but IIRC that was just to upset Dany. She didn't literally give birth to a dragon.
    I'm sure it said the baby was disfigured in some way, giving it the look of a lizard. Or did Miri just say that to upset Dany?

    I thought the Bloodriders wanted to take Dany to Vaes Dothrak but she didn't want too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Luya Sevrein View Post
    I'm sure it said the baby was disfigured in some way, giving it the look of a lizard. Or did Miri just say that to upset Dany?

    I thought the Bloodriders wanted to take Dany to Vaes Dothrak but she didn't want too?
    Yeah, Mirri just said that to scare Dany. Drogo's bloodriders (Qotho and that lot) wanted to take her to Vaes Dothrak, but Dany evaded them, whilst her bloodriders (Jhogo and co.) swore loyalty to her.

    Drogo's bloodriders who are now khals in their own right are still out there, btw, and still keen to see her returned to Vaes Dothrak. And Meereen is not far from Lhazar where Drogo died...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Werthead View Post
    Yeah, Mirri just said that to scare Dany. Drogo's bloodriders (Qotho and that lot) wanted to take her to Vaes Dothrak, but Dany evaded them, whilst her bloodriders (Jhogo and co.) swore loyalty to her.

    Drogo's bloodriders who are now khals in their own right are still out there, btw, and still keen to see her returned to Vaes Dothrak. And Meereen is not far from Lhazar where Drogo died...
    Surely she has the moral highground in terms of honour? Cause sure, she isn't going to the widower's place, but they were meant to kill themselves when Drogo dies and after they escorted her, right? So, to me, they seem kind've like they've skirted their duty. xD

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    I'm finishing up Storm of Swords and I'm reading how Tyrion and Jaime independently figure out that Joffery sent the assasin to kill Bran. Why? I'm still not sure about it. But then, maybe it's not supposed to make sense because Joffery is an idiot. Am I missing something?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hyperchord24 View Post
    I'm finishing up Storm of Swords and I'm reading how Tyrion and Jaime independently figure out that Joffery sent the assasin to kill Bran. Why? I'm still not sure about it. But then, maybe it's not supposed to make sense because Joffery is an idiot. Am I missing something?
    He did it because he overheard drunken Robert saying how they put out crippled animals, but humans are too weak to do it to their own kind. Joff wanted his father's approval.

    If you're asking why Jaime and Tyrion figured out around the same time, I don't remember.

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    Could someone kindly remind me why Jeor Mormont took the Black? And am I right in assuming that he did so before Jorah lost the Lordship of Bear Island, which - given that Jeor couldn't then go back and reassume that position, being bound by his vow as a brother of the Night's Watch - makes Jorah's disgrace all the worse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kged View Post
    Could someone kindly remind me why Jeor Mormont took the Black? And am I right in assuming that he did so before Jorah lost the Lordship of Bear Island, which - given that Jeor couldn't then go back and reassume that position, being bound by his vow as a brother of the Night's Watch - makes Jorah's disgrace all the worse?
    Well, we don't entirely know why he did it. He did so before Jorah's disgrace and around the time of the war that put Robert on the throne. He gave up Bear Island to Jorah and went to the Wall, where as a Lord of the North, he ended up as Lord Commander of the Watch. He may have done so for much the same reason that Aemon stayed a Maester and went to the Wall instead of being King -- to avoid trouble for his son with the new ruler by giving his son a clean slate as lord. But then Jorah remarried, sold slaves to get money for the new wife and mucked it up anyway. The lords of the North, having to deal with wildings and such, still look on the Night Watch as a tradition and honorable calling, and it's their sons who usually end up in the leadership positions, though the Watch is more equalitarian than most places in Westeros.

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    Jorah sold the slaves instead of giving them to the watch, right? They were going to have his head for that and that's why he fled, right?

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    Jorah should have offered the poachers the opportunity to take the black, yes. However, the fact he didn't has no bearing on the Night's Watch: they only deal with people sent to them, not punishing those who don't send people to them. That's their liege lords' job, in this case Eddard's.

    In Jeor Mormont's case, Bear Island suffers from the depredations of the wildlings more than any other Northern house, since ice-raiders from the Frozen Shore can cross over and raid the island almost at will. So when Jeor saw that Jorah had become a great hero and a worthy lord, he left Bear Island to him and dedicated his last few years to the Watch. When Jorah buggered off, that left Jeor unable to come back and he had to watch his younger sister become Lord instead, something he's not too happy about.

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    Cheers Wert - a sad tale indeed. And interesting that you point out the thing about wildings raiding over a frozen bay, I hadn't considered that. Quite the opposite, in fact. A glance at the map led me to think Bear Island would be safely isolated, and even while I was reading your post I was thinking "how do they raid the Island?". I was forgetting how chilly it gets up there.

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    I have a question about Dorne. During the war -- which was what, 20 years before the Game of Thrones events? -- the Mad King Aegon's wife Ella and children are killed during the overthrow of Aegon, and the wife was a princess from Dorne so Dorne is ticked. Makes sense. But it seems that at some point just before our timeline -- i.e. longgg after Ella is killed, the then prince of Dorne leaves home to investigate the death, challenges the killer to a duel and loses.

    I must be missing something because I dont get it. Why would he wait so damn long to find out how Ella and the kids really died, and/or seek revenge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArtNJ View Post
    I have a question about Dorne. During the war -- which was what, 20 years before the Game of Thrones events? -- the Mad King Aegon's wife Ella and children are killed during the overthrow of Aegon, and the wife was a princess from Dorne so Dorne is ticked. Makes sense. But it seems that at some point just before our timeline -- i.e. longgg after Ella is killed, the then prince of Dorne leaves home to investigate the death, challenges the killer to a duel and loses.

    I must be missing something because I dont get it. Why would he wait so damn long to find out how Ella and the kids really died, and/or seek revenge?
    Dorne sided with Aerys, so they probably weren't too keen on rocking the boat with the new king. In addition to which, Doran Martell is a patient soul and plans long ahead - it's Oberyn who finally stomps up to King's Landing, by all accounts more of a hothead than his big brother.

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