November 11th, 1999, 12:29 PM
Favorite Worlds in SF
Here are some of my favorite worlds in genre of SF and their Creators
1. DUNE(also known as Arrakis)Creator:Frank Herbert
2. PERN-Creator:Anne Mccaffrey
3. HYPERION-Creator-Dan Simmons
4. UPLIFT UNIVERSE-Creator-David Brin
5. RINGWORLD-Creator:Larry Niven
6. SHOLA-Creator:Lisanne Norman
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November 17th, 1999, 05:47 PM
Planet of the Apes
November 18th, 1999, 11:03 AM
When I was really young my Aunt took me to see what I'm pretty sure was my first SF movie, Logan's Run. It had a big impact on me. Very enjoyable.
November 18th, 1999, 12:17 PM
Neal, looks like you encountered the UBB effect.
No space after a colon can lead to the strange effects noted. E.g., a colon followed immediately by a capital D give you . Not what you wanted, I hazard. Adding a space prevents that.
As for favorite worlds: I've never been turned on by SF where a world is the central character, so to speak. To my mind, the world as it affects the heroes (and villains) of a story is far more important than the world itself.
There's nothing like a good alien environment tale to stir the blood, but on the other hand, we get sheer drek like that Bruce Willis fiasco, Armageddon, where the asteroid became the gee-whiz villain, evil-looking in every aspect (and ignoring how it could possibly have come to be that way).
Every trace of scientific accuracy went out the porthole, and the attempt to portray this Fortress of Solitude on steroids as menacing fell abysmally flat. The film wasn't a race against time to save the world. It was an all-out mad dash to end it before the audiences got bored spitless.
Man conquers rock. When it involves climbing Everest, yeah, that's human interest. When it involves an utterly improbable mission of absolutely impossible "astronauts" chasing down an asteroid with a bad 'do in order to blow it up with one A-bomb in exactly the right place at exactly the right moment, it's sheer BS.
A good story can make any environment hostile or friendly, whether it's Earth, Mars, Altair 4 or some unnamed chunk of barren, nondescript rock in close orbit around a dying red dwarf star.
Re Ringworld, it's a great story, and it makes the Dyson sphere concept at least semi-credible.
November 18th, 1999, 04:26 PM
Babylon 5... the station itself isn't a world, but would be the type of place I could hang around.
The planet below the station though, Epsilon 3, is fascinating.... always wanted to know more about the "Great Machine"
Then there's Z'Ha'Dum, which is pretty bleak, and the Vorlon Homeworld... which they never named per say. These two races I found fascinating though... I wish we'd learned more about the Vorlons.
I had the pleasure of meeting J. Michael Straczynski in person, listening to him talk, put a whole new "spin" on the show for me...
Then there were a couple of Andre Norton books I read as a youngster... about a world called Janus...
November 19th, 1999, 02:34 PM
Best SF world? Babylon 5. SciFi fan or not, B5 was the best thought-out, intricate plot ever on TV. That is one reason I was soooo disappointed with the spin-off, Crusade.
November 19th, 1999, 03:05 PM
A B5 fan!!.... Never thought I'd run into one again! B5 was more than just a show... it was a "story"... that's what JMS intended and that's what he did.
I pretty much "lived" in that story for that hour every week and hours afterward thinking about it... never mind chasing it all over the dial while Network nimrods played idiot.
BTW.. what disappointed you about Crusade? I just never let myself get into it, because I knew it would probably not ever get past the first 13 eps thanks to TNT's stupidity. It was never allowed to develop.
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November 20th, 1999, 08:01 AM
Crusade never seemed to get the depth it needed. I think one of the reasons I never got into the series is because they tried to create too much mystery too fast. B5 built the mystery slowly over the years. Crusade seemed to throw nothing but mysteries at the viewers and kind of left us dangling there.
B5's mysteries were often so subtle you didn't realize that the show you watched weeks ago was the clue to the show you were watching just then.
Two questions go unanswered. What happened to the 'one-eyed-thing' that was implanted in the urn that Lando gave to Delyn & Sharadon's son, David? And, what happened to Leata(sp?).
November 20th, 1999, 01:38 PM
I'm just reading some books and things that are "filling" things out a bit... Lyta was killed in the telepath war, Lennier too I think. This was supposed to have been about 2 years after B5. Garibaldi, seems fine as of "Sleeping In Light"... but I'd sure like to know if Lyta removed Bester's "whammy" on him and if he was responsible for Bester's demise...
As for the keeper that was intended for David... I don't know... that's still a mystery. There are some great pocket books available by Jane Killick... one for each season... that covers each episode and some of the thoughts JMS and the actors had on it. I just got them from amazon.com myself.
Crusade... yeah they did try to cram a lot in there... it's really too bad... it should have been the natural "next" thing to B5... JMS talked a lot about what he had in mind for that show when he was here in town. Unfortunately TNT had other ideas... they were apparently more interested in "Bay Watch in Space"... Since he refused to bow to their wishes on the whole thing.. the show was left w/o a home.
November 23rd, 1999, 03:53 AM
It surprises me that Lenner would get killed. I always figured that after Sheradon's death, Lenner would come back to be with Delyn again.
I figured Lyta would die somehow, but I didn't think it would come only 2 years after she left with G'kar. I figured she would end up taking the block off Garibaldi and he would get his revenge on Bester through the multi-million dollar company he now ran.
November 23rd, 1999, 02:42 PM
Want to check out some "worlds" then read "Number of the Beast" by Heinlein. One world after another as fast as you can imagine. But as stated earlier what makes it is the characters & their fates/fortunes.
November 23rd, 1999, 03:23 PM
Turrisi... sounds interesting... I think I'll have to put that one on the read list for this winter...
A lot of this is guess work and some of it is from JMS... Lyta being killed in the Telepath War is mentioned in the Crusade Bible, and it's between B5 and Crusade. Crusade is 5 years after B5... it's "strongly" hinted that the War occurred around 2 years after B5, ans there was also a Drahk War in there somewhere.. where they absolutely demolish Centauri Prime... Remember the 2 part B5 episode where Sheridan and Delenn are thrown around in time... and they're on Centauri Prime 17 years in the future...? This is why it's such a shame that Crusade was not allowed to develop, because a lot of these leftover questions were meant to be addressed in that show. JMS wrote B5 to be a story with a beginning, a middle and an end that leads into the next great story... it's not a concept that went over well with networks like TNT... it was working with the fans...
I was disappointed that Lennier is apparently dead too, I thought he would play some role later... although not as Delenn's mate.
As for Garibaldi... *LOL** Yeah, maybe he did use his multi-million $$ business to get Bester... but I'd prefer to think he "knocked Bester's block off" personally..
That was some change of character for Walter Koenig... wasn't it? I mean from Chekov to Bester... Koenig said he enjoyed playing the "bad guy.."
January 20th, 2000, 04:23 PM
If you have not read any Heinlein, don't read Number of the Beast. It is not one of his best books and I would hate for you to get turned off before you read some of his better stuff. Stranger in a Strange Land is thought provoking, truly a groundbreaker of a book.
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January 21st, 2000, 05:42 AM
I have to agree w/ you re # of the Beast. And Stranger was prob his best too. I brought it up cause as I recall there were many changes of "worlds" & settings w/ multiple plots. Almost confusing. Found it one of the more difficult ones to follow along with as I read it, but still it was Heinlein so I had to try it!
January 21st, 2000, 10:30 AM
I'd say Dune is my favorite SF world out there, its just so rich and mystifying at the same time.
Others that rank high on my list:
Chalker's Wellworld. Although I'm not a huge fan of the novels (i thought they were decent), I like the concept of the wellworld a whole lot more than I did the actual books.
Bujold's Vor society, is just great.
Relative new-comer Tad Williams has really caught my eye and imagination with his 'Otherland' world
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