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    Well, that's interesting. Because personally I thought:


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    That the ending was excellent, and Jason's death was deeply moving
    I agree with you on that point, however:

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    The death of Jason was very predictable especially when Jason states "Tomorrow I'm leaving the army to start a farm" then rictus asks him to stay until they reach the sea. Upon reaching the sea Jason again states that it is time for him to leave but Rictus convinces him to go drinking. And what do you know? Jason ends up dying. For me it would have been more moving had he not tried to build up Jason death like he did.
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    That's quite amusing. That reminds me of a comedy show which had a sketch set in WW2 with a bunch of RAF pilots sitting around a table talking about their plans. One of them said:

    "Gosh, tomorrow is my last flight. Never thought I'd make it this far. My family are so proud of me and I'm looking forward to seeing them. This here is a picture of my girlfriend, whom I'm going to marry when I get home."

    The other pilots looked at one another and said:

    "Dead." "Yeah, totally dead."

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    I have to admit that the ending (which was obvious and "literary") greatly diminished the novel in my eyes. Up to that point, I would gladly recommend The Ten Thousand.

    The best parts, to me, were the subtle differences of each race and how Kearney highlights the stubborness of the Macht. I do think the central concept really begs exploration as it feels more SF than fantasy (a good thing).

    There were a few threads that felt dropped prematurely early on as well, but the writing is superb in many aspects.

    The ending: ugh. Without the whole telegraphed Jason bit this book would have easily made my top ten and be in league with Gemmell's excellent novels. That said, it did make me interested in reading his other work. It's one of the instances where even a "happy Hollywood" ending would be preferable, in my opinion.

    Good writer, though.

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    It's a stand-alone. Kearney has said if he ever goes back to the world, it will be for a prequel set centuries or millennia earlier.
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    I've asked Paul about the possibility of a sequel, but he was adamant that it would be a one-off.

    Shame, but he does have plenty of other projects on the go.
    Well apparently something made him change his mind. In a recent interview posted on Pat's Fantasy Hotlist in Octoberhttp://fantasyhotlist.blogspot.com/2...interview.html we get this little nugget:

    - What's next for Paul Kearney?


    Another Macht book. Plus some other stuff in the pipeline which I’ll keep under my hat for now. The Macht book will be another standalone, but Rictus will be in it.
    And the ending was totally predictable, too much foreshadowing I suppose.

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    Has anyone read The Ten Thousand by Michael Curtis Ford? Unrelated save the name, it was a good read. (Pre-"300" Spartan story)

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    Quote Originally Posted by WyrvenGuard View Post
    Has anyone read The Ten Thousand by Michael Curtis Ford? Unrelated save the name, it was a good read. (Pre-"300" Spartan story)
    Actually both books (Kearney and Ford) are based on the same classic - Anabasis by Xenophon. And there is another 2008 one based on same events - Lost Army by MV Manfreddi of Last Legion and Alexander books fame.

    Ford is reasonably accurate as far as we "know" the events, Lost Army is semi-fantasy, semi-historical, Kearney is a pure fantasy reinterpretation.

    I liked Lost Army too, though Kearney is one of my favorite fantasy writers and I think his book is the best of the three. Ford is kind of dry, but if you like historical novels, it's ok.

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    The Ten Thousand started out good and I got my hopes up. Then it deteriorated into nothing but fighting and people died, then more fighting and more people dieing, then lets have another fight and kill some more people. And for the finale one more fight and more people dead. There wasn't enough story there, just an excuse for battle scenes.

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    The Ten Thousand started out good and I got my hopes up. Then it deteriorated into nothing but fighting and people died, then more fighting and more people dieing, then lets have another fight and kill some more people. And for the finale one more fight and more people dead. There wasn't enough story there, just an excuse for battle scenes.
    I disagree. All of the major fights in the story are actually pushing the storyline forwards and they all serve a purpose. Maybe not for everyone I suppose, but it's still a very good military fantasy novel.

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    Is there another book on the way? I heard that this was going to be a series. This book is incredible in my opinion. I think it would be a great series.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cancerman View Post
    Is there another book on the way? I heard that this was going to be a series. This book is incredible in my opinion. I think it would be a great series.
    Corvus:
    http://www.amazon.com/Corvus-Paul-Ke...0126874&sr=1-2

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cancerman View Post
    Is there another book on the way? I heard that this was going to be a series. This book is incredible in my opinion. I think it would be a great series.
    Another two. Corvus is published in November 2010 and Kings of Morning will follow in July 2011.

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    Another two. Corvus is published in November 2010 and Kings of Morning will follow in July 2011.
    A trilogy? Might actually give the story a purpose, hence redeeming the first book.

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    I finished Corvus and it is as good as The Ten Thousand

    I was reading some interesting books when an arc of Corvus/Kearney made it to my inbox today and once I opened it after work, i just could not put it down; a sort of sequel to The Ten Thousand - some 25 years later with Rictus still in charge of his now large mercenary company, fighting successful campaign after successful campaign in the spring and summer for whichever Macht city pays best and returning to his wife and daughters in a hidden mountain cottage for the winter

    But now a young charismatic conqueror appeared out of nowhere and he is planning to unite the Macht at sword point if need be; and of course Corvus needs Rictus for credibility and for other reasons that are pretty easy to guess once you advance in the book a little

    But the Macht love their "freedom", even if it is the freedom to war among themselves and enslave or kill the weak, so the job is not easy....

    While there will be at least one more Macht book, this one reads well on its own too

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    Solaris have the first chapter of Corvus to read HERE.

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    Review of Corvus:

    Twenty-three years ago ten thousand Macht warriors marched into the heart of the Asurian Empire for a contract and a promise, were betrayed, and fought their way back out again. The most famous warrior of the Ten Thousand to still survive is Rictus of Isca, whose name lends weight to any cause he supports and whose personal troops, the Dogsheads, are the most respected soldiers in all of the cities of the Macht. Older and weary, Rictus ponders the day when he can hang up his black armour and tend to his lands.

    That day will not come soon. A new warleader has arisen, Corvus of Sinon, and he is absorbing city after city into his fledgling empire through the use of new tactics and weapons of war. He asks Rictus to join his army to help him achieve the impossible: the unification of the Macht into one nation.

    Corvus is the sequel to Paul Kearney's excellent The Ten Thousand, although foreknowledge of that book is not required to enjoy this one. The Ten Thousand was a loose retelling of the Anabasis of Xenophon, whilst Corvus takes the rise of Alexander the Great as its starting point. However, the parallels here are much, much looser, reduced merely to the idea of a young leader with some unusual ideas and unshakable self-belief rising to greatness (oh, and he also has a strong cavalry bodyguard known as the Companions). The focus remains on Rictus, who is the principle POV, although we also get chapters from the perspective of his wife and some of his enemies (most notably Karnos, the ruler of Machran, the most powerful of the cities Corvus covets), whilst Corvus himself remains a somewhat remote figure whom Rictus struggles to understand.

    Previously Kearney has been compared a lot to Gemmell for his depiction of warfare but also his commentary on glory, honour and heroism, but there has always been a hint of Guy Gavriel Kay (or possibly early Steven Erikson) in his work, particularly his use of tragedy and the mining of characters' emotions to deliver powerful climaxes. Corvus delves into this side of his writing more deeply than before, delivering several painful gut-punches late in the book which take precedence over the, as usual, excellently-depicted battles and sieges. Kearney also develops his secondary characters well, particularly Karnos whose character evolution in a relatively short span of time is exemplary.

    The Ten Thousand was my favourite book of 2008, and Corvus (*****) is even better, leaner, more focused, without the slightly predictable ending (The Ten Thousand's sole weakness), and a strong contender for the best epic fantasy work of 2010. It will be published on 26 October 2010 in the UK and USA.
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