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    August 2008 BOTM: Shadowbridge by Gregory Frost

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    Great cover!

    Rob B reviewed the book here for SFFWorld in January 2008. Here's what he said:

    Stories within stories are one of the greatest tricks in fiction and have been around ever since people have been telling stories. Gregory Frost’s latest novel, Shadowbridge, is a fine example of this storytelling method used to great effect. The protagonist is a storyteller, specifically a shadow-puppetmaster who hunts for the stories she tells. In many ways, Leodora is a traditional heroine – she’s an orphan, is mistreated by her caretakers, and eventually runs away. The running away occurs about halfway through the book, but I don’t think this would be a spoiler by any means. Also, the story has the feel of a traditional fairy tale and/or fable to it. As the story progresses; however, Frost makes it clear this is no kiddy tale. Or rather, this isn’t the sanitized fairy tale that many people have come to accept as fairy tales.



    There is a dark sinister edge to what goes on beneath the surface of Leodora’s world. The original fairy tales brought together by the Brothers Grimm had a very dark edge as well, so in that sense, Shadowbridge and its heroine Leodora would work as a modern example of those stories. The novel opens with a story of one of the Gods who lives on the world of Shadowbridge. This gives a flavor of what is to come throughout the novel, and by simply stating that it was the “first time Leodora spoke with a God…”Frost is telling readers that his protagonist holds a high place in this world.



    The world, Shadowbridge, is a great fantasy creation and a metaphor. On a seemingly landless world, an enormous bridge was dreamed into existence by a fish and a man. Yes, it sounds simple and silly, but a testament to Frost’s skill as a writer is how well and charmingly he pulls off the conceit. Each span of the bridge is essentially its own country and spans are populated by strange and fantastical peoples.



    While the majority the framing story of Shadowbridge is Loedora’s story, she wouldn’t work as effectively if she were the only focal character. Fortunately, the characters who support her, as friends and as a cast, are drawn very well. The only characters who don’t really show much depth are Leodora’s aunt and uncle, the people who raised her. They fill their roles very well, abusive male paternal figure and abused and timid maternal figure, and Frost manages to push the right emotional buttons in order to build empathy for Leodora. Her real father; however, is a different story. We never meet him but his presence is felt throughout the story. Her father, Bardsham, was the greatest puppeteer and story teller Shadowbridge ever knew. He was legendary for how he captivated audiences as much as he was legendary for his mysterious disappearance. Obviously many parallels are drawn between Loedora and her father Bardsham. Many of the stories about Bardsham are told by his former assistant and the man who is responsible for training Leodora in storytelling and showmanship – Soter.



    One thing Soter imparts to Leodora, and a reason why she cannot truly tell her stories in public is because she needs a musician. About halfway through the book, we meet her eventual partner, Diverus. Leodora’s upbringing is a cakewalk compared to what we learn about Diverus. His story, like Leodora’s has a fable and myth like quality to it, and Frost manages to keep this timeless flavor to both of their stories while making their individual stories, and everything about Shadowbridge fresh and vibrant.



    Nearly every concept and story conceit Frost employs throughout the book can be seen as statement on the power of story. The stage and workmanship that go into telling stories and perhaps my favorite, that is, the “hunting for stories” the shadow-puppeteers must do daily in order to better connect with their audiences.



    As I said, I really enjoyed the story-within-story motifs Frost employed throughout, as well as the general feel of the book. The power of story, the balance of mythic and freshness with characters, and the sheer imagination on display throughout all worked very well. The only kind of negative criticism is that the pace ebbs and flows a bit unevenly in the early portions of the novel. Once Frost dispenses with the comfy-coziness and reveals some of the darker elements, Shadowbridge completely sucked me into the story. As the book blatantly indicates that it is part of a duology (book two, Lord Tophet publishes in the summer), I wasn’t too surprised by the cliffhanger ending, but that didn’t make me any less frustrated by it. This is good because Frost has me anxiously waiting for the next book, which makes me ponder whether or not this was planned as a two book story or if the publisher split it. Either way, the book should, at the very least, be on the short list for genre awards.

    He seemed to enjoy it. What did the rest of you think?

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    I've got a question about 'Shadowbridge', wasn't sure where else to put it and didn't want to start a new thread (so sorry for the clutter!)

    I've been sent a copy of 'Lord Tophet', I haven't read 'Shadowbridge' (don't own a copy) and was wondering whether it's a book that I should read in order to get more out of 'Lord Tophet'. Or do both books stand on their own?

    Cheers

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    I've got Lord Tophet on the pile, two. I think they are halves of the same story.

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    Rob B Wrote:
    I've got Lord Tophet on the pile, two. I think they are halves of the same story.

    Yes, they most certainly are. Shadowbridge ends on a total cliff-hanger, and Lord Tophet completes the story.
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    I enjoyed Shadowbridge immensely - particularly the chinese-box structure of stories within stories. Overall I felt that the story had a nice lyrical quality and I quite like the fact that Frost was able to tell a fantasy story with so many elements with both feeling and economy. It is extremely well-structured, and every story that is re-told with the context of the framing tale has its definite function while being very entertaining in its own right.

    Shadowbridge is very much a story about the power of stories. The world itself is born from dreams and stories (or so say the creation myths). Stories are also of importance to the main character Leodora on a more personal level as she very slowly learns more about her parents (again through stories about them) and then, as the narrative unfolds, it becomes clear that Leodora is caught up in a story herself - she just doesn't know it yet.

    Shadowbridge was really a very lovely reading experience, beautiful and deep-felt, many-layered and resonant - I can't wait to read Lord Tophet!

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    I think I would've had greater appreciation for this story had I read it before Cat Valente's Orphan's Tales, which did most of the things this book did but with more fluency and elegancy. For example, the jump into Diverus' story left me wondering what the relvance was to the main story, and at a time in the story where Leodora's story was building it stole the storie's momentum.

    One thing I really liked was the Coral Man - the enigma of this artefact/character/??? was one of the more interesting aspects of the book.

    Another thing that struck me was that in a novel with so many original elements (and big kudos for the spns/spirals concept) was the leaning on Japanese influence for the span with the Kitsune. Is this one of many references back to our world? I have a feeling one of the statues mentioned at the start of the novel was of a doctor with a stethoscope as well, so maybe there's something going on here.

    At any rate, despite feeling the book was uneven, I found it entertaining enough that Lord Tophet is on its way to my place.

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    I haven't started Shadowbridge yet (will be doing so once I'm done with Pillars of Creation) so these are just my impressions based on what I've heard about the book so far:

    I like the idea behind the worldbuilding. This has a lot of promise for being original and quite interesting.

    The plot itself doesn't appeal to me very much. It doesn't sound overly interesting or unique (of what I heard about it so far). But I'm willing to wait and see with this one. I'm hoping the world will add a lot of interest to the value of the story.

    The stories within a story idea... only read one book like this, and I hated it. That book was Haunted (not fantasy) and I wonder whether my problems were more to do with the writing itself, rather than the actual style of the story. I am trying to remain open-minded about Shadowbridge and see what I think when I read it.

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    I'm only about 65 pages into the book, and so far I can't say that it's holding my attention very well.

    Like Eventine said, I probably would find it more enjoyable if I hadn't previously read The Orphan's Tales (although I've only read the In the Night Garden). From the very first story with Shumyzin, I caught myself thinking how roughly Frost transitions from the frame narrative to the story within. With Valente, the different tales almost organically weave themselves in and out of each other; it's all quite seamless.

    In contrast, Frost's style is very heavy-handed. From what I've seen so far, each story has a clear set-up which tells you when a new story is coming, then abruptly plunks you back into the frame narrative when the tale is done. Perhaps this has to do with the performance aspect of story-telling in Shadowbridge?

    Hopefully, as I become more comfortable with the characters and the world, the story will become less disjointed.

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    This is annoying, I have been searching for the book for about 4 weeks now and I cant find it, damn this bloody city I live in! I guess ill have to keep searching and get back when/if I get it.

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    I finished the book about a week ago and really enjoyed it. I'm definitely looking forward to getting my hands on Lord Tophet so that I can find out how the story ends.

    I disagree that Shadowbridge is not as good as The Orphan's Tales. I liked Shadowbridge better overall because I was more interested in the actual plot. I wanted to read the 2nd Valente novel for about a week after finishing the first, but then I just gradually lost interest in acquiring it, and so I never did read it. With Shadowbridge, however, I'm really looking forward to the second book because I care more about how the story ends. The other problem I had with The Orphan's Tales was that there were so many nested stories that it was sometimes confusing to keep track of where you were and what was going on.

    The transitions between stories is definitely different between the 2 books, but I think it is due to the nature of the story. In Shadowbridge, the focus is on a shadow puppeteer performing stories for audiences, and in that setting stories are not going to just nest themselves smoothly inside each other. Instead, you have to get into the story a little bit before you realize the relation it has to the outer story. I don't really mind it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Deornoth View Post
    I've been sent a copy of 'Lord Tophet', I haven't read 'Shadowbridge' (don't own a copy) and was wondering whether it's a book that I should read in order to get more out of 'Lord Tophet'. Or do both books stand on their own?
    You definately need to read Shadowbridge first - these are rightly considered two halves of a whole.



    I really think Shadowbridge is a wonderful book and love the way it's written with stories within stories. I was annoyed with the cliffhanger ending and the fact that it really is only one half of a story. It feels to me that the ultimate 'success' is largely dependent on how Lord Tophet concludeds things.


    After saying that, I just finished Lord Tophet a few days ago.

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    Lord Tophet nicely wraps things up and explains pretty much all the mysteries introduced in Shadowbridge. However, I'm a bit dissappointed that it didn't realize the full potential that I feel these two books had.

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    I've not gotten very far with this book currently; perhaps 20 or 30 pages at most, and so far, I'm not really getting into it. There's a nice fairy-tale sort of feel to it, but it feels all too disconnected from the frame of the main story.

    I think Ademona probably managed to put into words why the story format bothers me so far:

    Frost's style is very heavy-handed. From what I've seen so far, each story has a clear set-up which tells you when a new story is coming, then abruptly plunks you back into the frame narrative when the tale is done. Perhaps this has to do with the performance aspect of story-telling in Shadowbridge?

    Hopefully, as I become more comfortable with the characters and the world, the story will become less disjointed.
    I hope I become more comfortable with Shadowbridge too, the concept is interesting, but it's means of presentation is having a hard time holding my attention.

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    My copy of Shadowbridge finally arrived in the mail today, so I should get started on it soon. I have to say the book itself is nice looking, which is a good start

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    Okay I'm about 50 pages into Shadowbridge now, and I'm really starting to enjoy it. It was a bit slow going in the first section, where it seemed like the author was trying too hard to impress us with his literary style. Too much flowery descriptive prose and unnecessarily obscure words can really get in the way of my enjoyment of a book. Once he gets going though, he cuts down on the flowery writing and the story improves a lot. I still have no idea where its going at the moment, but I'm enjoying the journey.

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    Finished this last week, but haven't had a chance to put my thoughts down until now. First of all, let me say that on the whole this was a pleasant enough read. Frost has some really interesting ideas, like the moment of disorientation before the magic of the spans suddenly rights everything. It's a small detail, but moments like these brought the story together when otherwise I might have drifted off as a reader.

    Quote Originally Posted by Eventine View Post
    One thing I really liked was the Coral Man - the enigma of this artefact/character/??? was one of the more interesting aspects of the book.

    Another thing that struck me was that in a novel with so many original elements (and big kudos for the spns/spirals concept) was the leaning on Japanese influence for the span with the Kitsune. Is this one of many references back to our world? I have a feeling one of the statues mentioned at the start of the novel was of a doctor with a stethoscope as well, so maybe there's something going on here.
    These were two parts of the book that really grabbed my attention, too. I love mysteries, and the Coral Man is delightfully eerie. The parade of monsters is also very bizarre and compelling. Leodora's encounter with kitsune is my favorite part of the book, and unlike some the other stories, I think the kitsune's tale is very well-placed. I agree that the Japanese influence is one of the references back to our world. I remember a doctor sculpture, too, and there were some images (without the book I can't name them specifically) which Chilinguana (sp?) sees during the story of how death came to the world. I don't know if Frost explains this more during the second book, but I almost hope he doesn't. I like how the hints of the world before spans flicker tantalizingly around the edges of the story.

    Quote Originally Posted by blake06 View Post
    I finished the book about a week ago and really enjoyed it. I'm definitely looking forward to getting my hands on Lord Tophet so that I can find out how the story ends.

    I disagree that Shadowbridge is not as good as The Orphan's Tales. I liked Shadowbridge better overall because I was more interested in the actual plot. I wanted to read the 2nd Valente novel for about a week after finishing the first, but then I just gradually lost interest in acquiring it, and so I never did read it. With Shadowbridge, however, I'm really looking forward to the second book because I care more about how the story ends. The other problem I had with The Orphan's Tales was that there were so many nested stories that it was sometimes confusing to keep track of where you were and what was going on.

    The transitions between stories is definitely different between the 2 books, but I think it is due to the nature of the story. In Shadowbridge, the focus is on a shadow puppeteer performing stories for audiences, and in that setting stories are not going to just nest themselves smoothly inside each other. Instead, you have to get into the story a little bit before you realize the relation it has to the outer story. I don't really mind it.
    Despite the cliffhanger hanger, I'm not too anxious to go buy Lord Tophet. Even though I liked Shadowbridge well enough, there a few key elements I found very bothersome. When I posted my first impressions, I wasn't very far along in the book; I thought it would be comprised of a series of closely interwoven brief tales. The further I read, the more I could see how much Shadowbridge and The Orphan's Tales differ in their overall structures. While I preferred In the Night Garden--I like how I was continuously thinking about how the stories relate to each other, it made me a much more engaged reader--I enjoyed the short story aspect of Shadowbridge once I got past the initial rough patch.

    However, I still maintain that Frost shifts very clumsily into and out of his stories, particularly when the narrative switches from Leodora to Diverus. Although Leodora's story breaks at a natural enough point, Frost thrusts Diverus's story into narrative much too forcefully. I believe there is one sentence that precedes the start of his story, something like, "If Jax were to tell Diverus's story, he would tell it like this.." Bleh! Awful, just awful! Books should immerse the reader in the world of the story. Rather than transistioning smoothly from one storyline and to another, Frost strong-arms the reader into it. It was very jarring and disruptive.

    As for the plot, I just don't think that the main plot advances quickly enough. It's not until the end that something actually happens; by that point, you have to read the second to find out what it all means. Eventually, I'll probably read it, just to get some closure. For now, it's low on the priority list.

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