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January 8th, 2009, 02:08 AM #1
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Brent Weeks Raped "The Wheel of Time"!
For ideas and is bordering on plagiarism more than being influrenced imo.
Sea Folk v Sethi
Both are sea faring cultures that are the best saliors in there world.
Both use facial piercings to denote Rank and Clan and have similar titles.
Both have there women sailors go topless.
White Cloaks v Lae'Knaught
Both hate magic users and hunt them down.
Both are independant armed societies without there own country.
Both use Legions to denote size for there armies.
Both use the same Sun Symbol.
One wears all white the other all black.
Callandor v Curoch
Both are Prophesized swords for some savior.
Both amplify the amount of magic the bearer can use.
Rands Tatts v Logen's Dragon tatt
I have not finished the third book yet so i'm not sure what Logen's is for yet but having a "Dragon's" blood leave some sort of mark on your characters fore arm kinda feels like Rand being marked with Dragon Tatts to me.
Vi's and Kylars marriage Bond v Warder Bond
Hrm very similiar to the bond between Rand and his three girls.
Talent v One Power
First time Kylar uses his talent the way his senses etc are enhanced is virtually the same as when someone holds the One Power.
Vir and the True Power. Both are addictive and more powerful than the normal magic and come from "God".(Khali, Dark One)
Sister of the Chantry = Sisters of the White Tower. Heck they even both live on an Island in one big massive building.
Both use weaves to describe the magic.
Even the word Talent could be said to be taken from WoT in the context of the books.
Sister Ariel v Verin
Then there's the sword forms that Weeks occasionally uses to describe a sword fight. Now i'm not saying RJ invented sword form names or any of the other things I've mentioned above but when an author lists another author as an influrence and then has so many similair things in there books well, i'm thinking it's more than just coincidence.
There's a better case imo for Weeks ripping of RJ than there is for Goodkind doing so yet I have yet to see anyone call Weeks on it. Am I reaching?
January 8th, 2009, 03:46 AM #2
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ChrisW raped the usage of their vs there
January 8th, 2009, 04:45 AM #3
borrowed intensively, more than raped. Worldbuilding is not the strong point of Night Angel books. I would say Brent has a distinctive voice, and was more focused on characters and action, so i'm not bothered by the similarities you point out.
January 8th, 2009, 08:38 AM #4
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Was not David Drake the one people complaining about imitating slavishly WoT?
Or X,Y and Z - pick your epic fantasy authors at least pre Martin/00's - that were slavishly imitating Tolkien?
January 8th, 2009, 08:44 AM #5
Lesbians, spanking and now topless sailor vixens! Perhaps I should read the other 10 WoT books.
January 8th, 2009, 11:02 AM #6
I haven't read Weeks, so I can't be certain, but based on the comparisons you are making ChrisW, it doesn't sound like you are reaching. In fact, it sounds rather disappointing, since I was looking forward to reading these books.
suciul, yes Drake was the one whose books closely (too closely IMO) resembled WoT. Of course I only read the first 3 Drake books, so perhaps later ones go their own way. Is there anyone here who has read all of both series and can comment on that?
January 8th, 2009, 12:30 PM #7
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There is no question in my mind though that those who only read the first WoT book miss out on a whole lot of fun!
January 8th, 2009, 02:25 PM #8
Oh for crying out loud --
Where can we find, before and after Jordan:
a land which has a seafaring race -- pretty much everybody in secondary fantasy world fiction. Let's make them like gypsy pirates! -- pretty much half -- let's have them have weather magic -- 75%
tough female warriors who are semi-nude or wear scimpy clothing -- pretty much everybody since the 1950's. Oh yeah, and let's tell Lynch he stole from Jordan too, shall we, with his female pirates. Wait -- there were actual female pirates in history. Oh no, Jordan stole from history!
church knights who have armies and seek out heretics and witches -- well, let's start with the Catholic Church and move on from there. Choice of uniform colors -- black, white, red, grey. Choice of symbols for religious warriors -- crosses, lions and sun symbols. Read some history, dude. Or a wider ream of fantasy fiction anyway, where church knights pop up regularly. "Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition."
a magical sword that gives the wielder special powers or unlocked powers -- well, there's the Sword in the Stone. No, wait, we probably need to go back further. Or forward. Hey, it's the Sword of Shannara! Jordan stole from Terry Brooks! Who stole from King Arthur! And killed Kenny!
a chosen one is marked in some special way on his body -- the mythology of every ancient culture on Earth up into the Middle Ages. Three-quarters of fantasy fiction. A third of horror, and a fraction of SF.
dragons and dragon-related art -- are you kidding me?
people bonded magically to one another, often creating telepathic or empathic links -- again, are you kidding me?
magical powers where senses are enhanced -- once again, are you kidding me?
magical powers that are addictive and come from godly entities -- not read a lot of Indian mythology, have we? Or familiar with deals with the Christian Devil? Or pretty much pick a culture, dude.
some version of nuns or priestesses who live in a remote location -- ummm, thirty percent of secondary world fantasy fiction maybe? Oh no, Jordan ripped off Andre Norton's Witch World!
women magic users with an analogy to weaving -- there's this thing in Ancient Greece called the three Fates. Maybe you've heard of them? They spin thread, weave it and then cut it? Because that's what women do in mythology, you see. They weave the cloth. An idea which fantasy authors borrow, repeatedly, concerning magic.
a character in one fictional story whose personality is like the personality of another character in another fictional story -- again, seriously, you're kidding around, right?
names for sword move combos -- yes, they have those. They borrowed them from the Asian martial arts because it sounded good. There are indexes and everything.
Look, I've no doubt that Weeks has a sprawling fantasy world with mountains, rivers, islands, walled cities, catacombs, hill fortresses, sailors, dragons, religious fanatics, monsters, Viking Celts barbarians, guys with swords and heraldry -- got to have the heraldry, Arabian horses, maybe some wolves, a princess or two, some black people with spears or walking sticks, possibly a dwarf, etc. -- all drawn from mythology and history. Mythology we grow up with and watch authors turn into different stories. Like retelling the story of Jesus, which Jordan was doing and perhaps Weeks is doing too. It's been told a million times or so in some form or another. And you know what? Mystery stories all have dead murdered corpses in them.
Seriously, when are you guys going to stop playing detective conspiracy theorists with secondary world fantasy authors? If all you've got to say about a book is that Patrick Rothfuss' Name of the Wind is nearly a duplication of David Eddings or that Steve Erikson is ripping off Glen Cook, that's not very interesting. Plus, makes us look incredibly dorky. I wouldn't mind it if it involved a drinking game at a con or something, but next time you use the word "rape" young man, you better mean the actual definition of the word and not to accuse someone of plagiarising a magical sword.
January 8th, 2009, 02:40 PM #9
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me is preparing....
1 bag of popcorn, a 6 pack of beer, 3 cigarillos and an automated f5 presser.
this is goin' to be better than any prime time tv. let's get it rollin'
January 8th, 2009, 02:42 PM #10
sweepstakes on final thread length, anyone?
January 8th, 2009, 02:44 PM #11
So Kat, would it be safe to say that you're in agreement with Chris?
January 8th, 2009, 02:51 PM #12
Kat for the Win!
Seriously, ChrisW, does this mean you enjoy Weeks because of the similarities (not to just WOT, but to the source/inspirational material for WOT and much of fantasy) or dislike it because of those reasons?
January 8th, 2009, 03:10 PM #13
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