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    Quote Originally Posted by Werthead View Post
    My earlier point about Ender's Game and Hyperion being the most recent 'indisputable' SF classics...
    Nothing is indisputable.
    I found Ender's Game pompous and bombastic as with the other books in that series. Unaccompanied Sonata was very good.

    Asimov clearly has some good ideas but I find his prose dry, flimsy and a bit tedious.
    If one is looking at fantasy then I find Donaldson to be long-winded and verbose in the extreme. Robert Jordan leaves no cliche unturned.

    *ducks*

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hitmouse View Post
    Nothing is indisputable.
    I found Ender's Game pompous and bombastic as with the other books in that series.
    Actually, I find EG to be altogether less interesting than many of the 'disputed' books I listed later. My point was that looking at the 'canon' of the genre, the works of criticism of so forth, Ender's Game and Hyperion seem to be the most recent books that are commonly featured.

    I think Ender's Game is somewhat of its time, as are some of the other books mentioned. A lot of Asimov novels probably wouldn't even get published today, but back in the 1950s they were cutting-edge, genre-defining stuff.

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    In no particular order after the first two.

    Dhalgren - Samueal R. Delany
    Foundation Trilogy - Issac Asimov
    Dune - Frank Herbert
    City - Clifford D. Simak
    Stranger in a Strange Land - Robert A. Heinlein
    The Road - Cormac McCarthy
    Ringworld - Larry Niven
    The Martian Chronicles - Ray Bradbury
    Left Hand of Darkness - Ursula K. LeGuin
    The Handmaids Tale - Margaret Atwood

    Oh, and Time Enough for Love - Heinlein
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    I might try making a top 100 but I would not even think about listing a top 10.

    But I am sure Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy would not make the cut.

    psik

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    A decent list, except IMO Stranger in a Strange Land and Dune would better serve mankind as toilet paper than "literature."

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    I LOVE top lists! I know they are subjective and are totally pointless, but super fun all the same. With that said, I can not take any list with Ender's game on it seriously. Is Ender's Game a good book? Sure, but it I just don't see how it is a classic. There are so many other better written, deeper books with better stories, and characters that are written by less vomit in your mouth inducing author's then Card.

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    I haven't read a depressing amount of those on the original list. I would have to scratch Ender's Game off of it though. And maybe Dune.

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    I think we need to put more research into readers to figure out what kind of readers like what kind of books. Then people can determine what kind of reader they are and have a higher probability of finding books that suit them.

    psik

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    Hmm... my list changes occasionally, but:

    Dune by Frank Herbert
    God Emperor of Dune by Frank Herbert
    Replay by Ken Grimwood
    11/22/63 by Stephen King
    As On a Darkling Plain by Ben Bova
    The Dark Beyond the Stars by Frank M. Robinson
    Deepsix by Jack McDevitt
    Exultant by Stephen Baxter
    Doomsday Book by Connie Willis
    Starship Troopers by Robert A. Heinlein

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    1. Hyperion
    2. Ender's Game
    3. Use of Weapons
    4. Dune
    5. Speaker for the Dead

    The first 5 I could generally put in any order depending on my mood. Those are my tier 1 right now.

    6. A Fire Upon the Deep
    7. A Deepness in the Sky
    8. Snowcrash
    9. The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy
    10. Illium

    Honorable Mention: The Windup Girl, Surface Detail, Consider Phlebas, Look to Windword, Brave New World, Old Man's War.

    Books that have some science fiction but I left off because I do not consider them science fiction:
    Perdido Street Station
    The Slaughterhouse Five

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    How many people here are from the future? Surely the question, "What are the top ten sf books of all time" can only be answered by someone who has been all the way to the Big Crunch, and read every book ever written by every sentient species in the entire history of the universe.

    A bit parochial and arrogant to list ten books written in the 20thC (in English) and tell the entire history of everything, "We are the winners! Nya nya ne nya nyaaaah!"

    So I nominate:

    Book 45 by the Deligate-overmind of Aphapple Canape VI

    (Don't bother with the sequel; it was just ****.)

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    One of the few interesting things about Hyperion is the internal politics of the Hegemony but the Old Man's War trilogy does it better once you read the 2nd and 3rd books. Not much in the first.

    But Scalzi uses the word "said" too much. The whole book is "he said" "she said". That is part of the difference between the writing and the story. Hyperion has better writing but Old Man's War is a better science fiction story.

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    Top 10 sci-fi

    Gateway by Frederik Pohl
    High Rise by J G Ballard
    1984 by George Orwell
    Rendezvous With Rama by Arthur C Clarke
    The Road by Cormac McCarthy
    Contact by Carl Sagan
    Foundation 1-3 by Isaac Asimov
    Dune by Frank Herbert
    The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
    i-Robot by Isaac Asimov

    Is High Rise Sci-Fi? Yeah, why not,

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    Quote Originally Posted by xxghostbusterxx View Post
    Gateway by Frederik Pohl
    High Rise by J G Ballard
    1984 by George Orwell
    Rendezvous With Rama by Arthur C Clarke
    The Road by Cormac McCarthy
    Contact by Carl Sagan
    Foundation 1-3 by Isaac Asimov
    Dune by Frank Herbert
    The Stars My Destination by Alfred Bester
    i-Robot by Isaac Asimov

    Is High Rise Sci-Fi? Yeah, why not,

    Nice list and welcome to sffworld!

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    Dune-If you do not include this in the top 10 you are crazy. Though I'll be honest and say that I always considered Dune to be science fiction story with heavy fantasy over tones given some of the more outlandish ideas. Granted a number of these have scientific explanations, but there comes a point where it just seems to cross the line. Especially with all the talk about genetic memory.

    Neuromancer

    Ring World

    The Martian Chronicles

    Stranger in a Strange Land

    Farenheit 451

    Frankenstein- While the science is flawed and generally lumped in with horror, this is also the first work of science fiction and thus in my opinion belongs here. What drives this story is not a perfect understanding of science, but themes of humanity toying with life.

    1984

    The Barsoom Novels- While the science behind the adventures of John Carter has become rather dated, these stories were incredibly influential and helped bring the social elements of science fiction to a state of prominence.

    Snowcrash

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