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August 24th, 2010, 03:37 PM #151
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August 24th, 2010, 03:40 PM #152
You absolutely do need the context. If the narrator is a man that has difficulty grasping emotion that sentence might be highlighting his inability to understand others on anything other than a completely basic level. The only way you can get a sense of an author's characterization skills is to actually view them in context. Having a character's "heart leap" isn't a huge issue...repeating it 4 times a page is. The problem is not intrinsic to the sentence, the problem is due to the context. My three word sentence-- "Psylent was annoyed"--is not good, bad, or neutral. Here's some objective information about it: it contains three words, it is in the past tense, it is a complete sentence, it is grammatically correct. The only way to judge it as good, bad, or neutral is by establishing a metric(s) and judging it in context.
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From my first post here:
A language, although not a closed system by any means, is a fairly stable one at any given moment of its existence. Upon closer inspection, the purely linguistic structures of any literary work can be parsed successfully to reveal their meaning. These structures (words, phrases, clauses, sentences), however, exist in a context (a scene of a story, for example). Sometimes, it is clear from the context what the meaning of the linguistic structures should be. But what their meaning is in isolation may not overlap with what it should be. That gap constitutes a reliable measuring device for a writer's skill.
I understand your point but you don't seem to understand mine. What is a"blanket page"? I have no idea, I meant blank page and you pointing it out as a typo indicates you took it as being blank page as well. Content is distinct from form. Form can influence the view of content and content can change views on form, but while they are closely linked they are not the same thing. Words are a form used to offload content into someone else's brain. Words are, in many cases, representation of sensory date and ideas. They are an attempt at communication. Often the communication is only partially successful. The form has failed the content. Good writing is often writing that conveys the content precisely while bad writing is often guilty of conveying meaning poorly. Typos are a marring of form but despite the shoddy writing the content can still be offloaded.
As another example, "Language IS NOT a set of concrete utterances btw. Language can be MANIFESTED ONLY AS a set of concrete utterances. I tend to carefully write stuff like that, read it carefully too, cause there is a difference", can easily be characterized as bad writing. On a basic level there should be a comma between "utterances" and "btw", "read it carefully" needs additional content to make it clear whether you're making a claim about how you read or how I should read, and "cause" needs to have a ' before it to indicate missing letters. The potentially largest problem though is that the point as expressed is stupid. Language is not limited to manifesting as utterances. Utterance is by definition a sound
So for a discussion about writing and books utterance is the wrong word to be using because utterance only applies to spoken word and does not apply to written words or to sign language and is therefore a flawed and overly narrow definition of the manifestation of language.
However, I don't actually consider your point stupid because it's so obviously wrong that I'm assuming it isn't actually what you wanted to express. Your point is that form dictates content and therefore form is content, which I don't consider stupid, but I do disagree with. So your form has flaws but that doesn't mean your content does.
Sorry if I sound sharp, btw (did it right this time), it's how I tend to write when intellectually excited. And God knows, that tends to happen rarely to me on the internets, so thanks
Last edited by Trip; August 25th, 2010 at 01:10 AM.
August 27th, 2010, 10:18 AM #153
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August 27th, 2010, 10:39 AM #154
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Internet sarcasm is an artform.