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    Also: Vinge's Rainbows End is not especially epic, but Marooned in Realtime is, and possibly The Peace War and The Witling as well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andols View Post
    I began a thread to try and list all of the truly Epic SF and great space opera that is out there.

    At the risk of a scolding and/or merging, I started a new thread to house the list. Mainly so we can have a fresh discussion on what's missing from this list and what might not really be epic enough to be on here.

    There are some people like Sawyer, Baxter, Banks and other I just don't know enough about to judge their epic-ness. I know there are even more out there so I figure 11 less pages might be a good start for revised discussion.


    List in the post below.
    Here's a list for you to browse that you maybe will get some from.

    Stephen Baxter's Xeelee Sequence is definitely epic.

    http://www.smashwords.com/books/down...ader-guide.txt

    Gary Gibson's Nova War books probably not on this list.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nquixote View Post
    E.E. Doc Smith!!!!! <--- the true master
    - Lensman series
    - Skylark series
    I think I would say the Original master.

    I just recently learned he started writing in 1915. Before World War I.

    On one evening in 1915, the Smiths were with visiting his former classmate from the University of Idaho, Dr. Carl Garby, who had also moved to Washington, D.C. A long discussion about journeys into outer space ensued. Then, it was suggested to Smith that he should write down his ideas and speculations as a story about interstellar travel.

    The sources of inspirations for the main characters in the novel were themselves. The "Seatons" were based on the Smiths while the "Cranes" were drawn from the Garbys. About one-third of The Skylark of Space was completed by the end of 1916, when Smith and Garby gradually abandoned work on it.
    When I first read "DOC" Smith, probably in the 60s, I thought is was from the 30s. But it was really THE FIRST space opera. He didn't have any bad space operas to learn from and improve on. Now I know why I always used it as a reference for "space operas" which I mostly didn't think much of. But plenty of works began rising above that level of lack of quality in the 50s. But they had bad examples to learn from.

    None of Bujold's stories have style that fall that low.

    http://www.lunch.com/Reviews/d/Vorko...7529#rid_17529

    It should qualify has EPIC though, long, heroic, with great events. Definitely long.

    psik

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    Or another way to look at said list, with links to notes :-

    http://freesf.strandedinoz.com/spaceoperalist.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluetyson View Post
    Or another way to look at said list, with links to notes :-

    http://freesf.strandedinoz.com/spaceoperalist.html
    I appreciate the list, the trouble is we already have a variety of similar lists. Having not read hundreds of the works on there, it's best if one or more people can personally vouche for the quality of the books.

    That's really what this list is, a personal favorites of the posters here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andols View Post
    I appreciate the list, the trouble is we already have a variety of similar lists. Having not read hundreds of the works on there, it's best if one or more people can personally vouche for the quality of the books.

    That's really what this list is, a personal favorites of the posters here.
    Agreed. Infodump = bad.

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    A couple more that I think fit the bill,

    Brian Aldiss
    - Helliconia Spring
    - Helliconia Summer
    - Helliconia Winter

    Tobias Buckell
    - Ragamuffin
    - Sly Mongoose

    Michael Cobley
    - Seeds of Earth
    - The Orphaned Worlds

    Peter Watts
    - Blindsight

    Helliconia really isn't space opera, but it is quite epic dealing with the rise and fall of civilizations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nquixote View Post
    Agreed. Infodump = bad.
    Well you won't like this either

    5 Star Novel Section - 10

    Adams, Douglas - Hitchhiker's Guide To the Galaxy,The - [spoof space opera]
    Bear, Greg - Eon - [modern space opera]
    Card, Orson Scott - Ender's Game - [modern space opera]
    Herbert, Frank - Dune - [planetary romance modern]
    Herbert, Frank - Illustrated Dune,The - [modern space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Chasm City - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Revelation Space - [new space opera]
    Robinson, Kim Stanley - Red Mars - [planetary romance new]
    Simmons, Dan - Fall of Hyperion,The - [new space opera]
    Simmons, Dan - Hyperion - [new space opera]


    5 Star Story Section - 15

    Brackett, Leigh and Ray Bradbury - Lorelei Of the Red Mist - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Black Amazon Of Mars - [planetary romance elder]
    Haldeman, Joe - Hero - [modern space opera]
    Haldeman, Joe - We Are Very Happy Here - [modern space opera]
    Kuttner, Henry and C. L. Moore - Quest Of the Starstone - [planetary romance elder]
    McCaffrey, Anne - Dragonrider - [planetary romance modern]
    McDonald, Ian - Tear,The - [new space opera]
    McDonald, Ian - Verthandi's Ring - [new space opera]
    Reed, Robert - Man With the Golden Balloon,The - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Diamond Dogs - [new space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Mother Hitton's Littul Kittons - [modern space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Scanners Live In Vain - [elder space opera]
    Tiptree_Jr, James - Only Neat Thing To Do,The - [modern space opera]
    Turner, George - Flowering Mandrake - [modern space opera]
    Wodhams, Jack - One Clay Foot - [modern space opera]


    5 Star Anthology Section - 6

    Dozois, Gardner and Jonathan Strahan - New Space Opera,The - [new space opera]
    Dozois, Gardner - Galactic Empires - [new space opera]
    Dozois, Gardner - Good New Stuff,The - [new space opera]
    Dozois, Gardner - Good Old Stuff,The - [elder space opera]
    Laumer, Keith and Gordon R. Dickson - Planet Run - [modern space opera]
    Wagner, Karl Edward - Echoes Of Valor II - [planetary romance elder]


    5 Star Collection Section - 14

    Anderson, Poul - Flandry Of Terra - [elder space opera]
    Asher, Neal - Gabble and Other Stories,The - [new space opera]
    Brackett, Leigh - Sea-Kings Of Mars and Otherworldly Stories - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Swamps Of Venus - [planetary romance elder]
    Haldeman, Joe - Forever War,The - [modern space opera]
    Moore, C. L. - Shambleau - [planetary romance elder]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Galactic North - [new space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - Telzey Toy and Other Stories,The - [modern space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - Universe Against Her,The - [modern space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Best Of Cordwainer Smith,The - [elder space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Rediscovery Of Man,The - [modern space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Space Lords - [elder space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - We the Underpeople - [modern space opera]
    Sterling, Bruce - Schismatrix Plus - [modern space opera]


    5 Star Omnibus Section - 9

    Brackett, Leigh and Edmond Hamilton - Eric John Stark Saga,The - [modern space opera]
    Brackett, Leigh and Edmond Hamilton - Eric John Stark Saga,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh and Edmond Hamilton - Eric John Stark Saga,The - [planetary romance modern]
    Brackett, Leigh - Book Of Skaith,The - [planetary romance modern]
    Brackett, Leigh - Eric John Stark Outlaw Of Mars - [planetary romance modern]
    Brackett, Leigh - People Of the Talisman and The Secret Of Sinharat,The - [planetary romance modern]
    Brackett, Leigh - Secret Of Sinharat,The - [planetary romance modern]
    Brackett, Leigh - Solar System,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Simmons, Dan - Hyperion Cantos - [new space opera]


    4.5 Star Novel Section - 17

    Brackett, Leigh - Hounds Of Skaith,The - [modern space opera]
    Brackett, Leigh - Sea-Kings Of Mars - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Sword Of Rhiannon,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Brin, David - Startide Rising - [modern space opera]
    Card, Orson Scott - Ender's Shadow - [new space opera]
    Delany, Samuel R. - Babel-17 - [modern space opera]
    Egan, Greg - Schild's Ladder - [new space opera]
    Hamilton, Peter F. - Judas Unchained - [new space opera]
    Hamilton, Peter F. - Reality Dysfunction,The - [new space opera]
    Herbert, Frank - Children of Dune - [planetary romance modern]
    Herbert, Frank - Dune Messiah - [planetary romance modern]
    Maggin, Elliot S. - Last Son of Krypton - [media space opera]
    McDevitt, Jack - Talent For War,A - [modern space opera]
    Rajaniemi, Hannu - Quantum Thief,The - [planetary romance new]
    Simmons, Dan - Endymion - [new space opera]
    Stirling, S. M. - In the Courts Of the Crimson Kings - [planetary romance new]
    Watts, Peter - Blindsight - [new space opera]


    4.5 Star Story Section - 47

    Adams, Douglas - Hitchhiker's Guide To the Galaxy,The - [spoof space opera]
    Anderson, Poul - Plague Of Masters,The - [modern space opera]
    Baxter, Stephen - Seer and the Silverman,The - [new space opera]
    Brackett, Leigh - Last Call From Sector 9G - [elder space opera]
    Brackett, Leigh - Last Days Of Shandakor,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Coppel, Alfred - Rebel of Valkyr,The - [elder space opera]
    Cornell, Paul - Catherine Drewe - [planetary romance new]
    Daniel, Tony - Dry Quiet War,A - [new space opera]
    Dick, Philip K. - Impostor - [modern space opera]
    Egan, Greg - Glory - [new space opera]
    Fletcher, Melanie - Lusts of the Cat Queen: A Dash Manning Adventure - [spoof space opera]
    Flinthart, Dirk - Angel Rising - [planetary romance new]
    Garrett, Randall - Time Fuze - [elder space opera]
    Haldeman, Joe - End Game - [modern space opera]
    Kelly, James Patrick - Undone - [new space opera]
    Kornbluth, C. M. - That Share Of Glory - [elder space opera]
    Leinster, Murray - First Contact - [elder space opera]
    Martin, George R. R. - Glass Flower,The - [modern space opera]
    McAuley, Paul J. - All Tomorrow's Parties - [new space opera]
    McAuley, Paul J. - Little Lost Robot - [new space opera]
    McAuley, Paul J. - Rats Of the System - [new space opera]
    McCaffrey, Anne - Weyr Search - [planetary romance modern]
    McDonald, Ian - Days of Solomon Gursky,The - [new space opera]
    Moore, C. L. - Shambleau - [elder space opera]
    Nordley, G. David - Poles Apart - [new space opera]
    Powell, Gareth L. - Six Lights Off Green Star - [new space opera]
    Reed, Robert - Alone - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Great Wall of Mars - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Merlin's Gun - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Six Directions Of Space,The - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Star Surgeon's Apprentice,The - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Tiger Burning - [new space opera]
    Saberhagen, Fred - Starsong - [modern space opera]
    Sanderson, Brandon - Defending Elysium - [new space opera]
    Scalzi, John - Last Colony,The - [new space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - Ti's Toys - [modern space opera]
    Sheffield, Charles - Godspeed - [new space opera]
    Silverberg, Robert - Secret Sharer,The - [modern space opera]
    Simmons, Dan - Muse Of Fire - [new space opera]
    Smith, Clark Ashton - Vaults of Yoh-Vombis,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Drunkboat - [elder space opera]
    Sterling, Bruce - Spider Rose - [modern space opera]
    Swanwick, Michael - Ginungagap - [modern space opera]
    Vinge, Vernor - Blabber,The - [new space opera]
    Williams, Sean - Soap Bubble,The - [spoof space opera]
    Y_Robertson, R. Garcia - Gone To Glory - [new space opera]
    Y_Robertson, R. Garcia - Long Voyage Home - [new space opera]


    4.5 Star Anthology Section - 1

    Dozois, Gardner and Jonathan Strahan - New Space Opera 2,The - [new space opera]


    4.5 Star Collection Section - 12

    Baxter, Stephen - Resplendent - [new space opera]
    Brackett, Leigh - Martian Quest the Early Brackett - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Martian Quest - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Stark and the Star Kings and Other Stories - [elder space opera]
    Hamilton, Peter F. - Second Chance at Eden,A - [new space opera]
    Heinlein, Robert A. - Orphans Of the Sky - [modern space opera]
    McCaffrey, Anne - Gift Of Dragons,A - [planetary romance modern]
    Moore, C. L. - Northwest Of Earth - [planetary romance elder]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Diamond Dogs Turquoise Days - [new space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Rediscovery Of Man,The - [modern space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - When the People Fell - [modern space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - You Will Never Be the Same - [elder space opera]


    4.5 Star Omnibus Section - 1

    Hamilton, Peter F. - Night's Dawn Trilogy,The - [new space opera]

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    4 Star Novel Section - 81

    Adams, Douglas - Restaurant At the End of the Universe,The - [spoof space opera]
    Anderson, Poul - Man Who Counts,The - [elder space opera]
    Asher, Neal - Gridlinked - [new space opera]
    Asher, Neal - Line War - [new space opera]
    Banks, Iain M. - Algebraist,The - [new space opera]
    Banks, Iain M. - Consider Phlebas - [modern space opera]
    Brackett, Leigh - Secret Of Sinharat,The - [modern space opera]
    Brin, David - Uplift War,The - [modern space opera]
    Buckell, Tobias S. - Crystal Rain - [new space opera]
    Buckell, Tobias S. - Ragamuffin - [new space opera]
    Burroughs, Edgar Rice - Princess of Mars,A - [planetary romance elder]
    Chalker, Jack L. - Midnight At the Well Of Souls - [planetary romance modern]
    Chalker, Jack L. - Return of Nathan Brazil,The - [planetary romance modern]
    Cook, Glen - Passage At Arms - [modern space opera]
    Daley, Brian - Han Solo At Star's End - [media space opera]
    Daley, Brian - Han Solo's Revenge - [media space opera]
    Foster, Alan Dean - Star Wars - [media space opera]
    Godwin, Tom - Space Prison - [elder space opera]
    Godwin, Tom - Survivors,The - [elder space opera]
    Hamilton, Edmond - Comet Kings,The - [elder space opera]
    Hamilton, Peter F. - Fallen Dragon - [new space opera]
    Hamilton, Peter F. - Naked God,The - [new space opera]
    Hamilton, Peter F. - Neutronium Alchemist,The - [new space opera]
    Hamilton, Peter F. - Pandora's Star - [new space opera]
    Haynes, Simon - Hal Spacejock : Just Desserts - [spoof space opera]
    Haynes, Simon - Hal Spacejock : Second Course - [spoof space opera]
    Haynes, Simon - Hal Spacejock - [spoof space opera]
    Herbert, Frank - God Emperor of Dune - [planetary romance modern]
    Kline, Otis Adelbert - Swordsman Of Mars,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Leinster, Murray - Pariah Planet - [modern space opera]
    Leinster, Murray - This World Is Taboo - [modern space opera]
    MacLeod, Ken - Cassini Division,The - [new space opera]
    MacLeod, Ken - Cosmonaut Keep - [new space opera]
    MacLeod, Ken - Engine City - [new space opera]
    Mahr, Kurt - Mutants In Action - [modern space opera]
    McAuley, Paul J. - Quiet War,The - [new space opera]
    McCaffrey, Anne - Dragonflight - [planetary romance modern]
    McCaffrey, Anne - Dragonquest - [planetary romance modern]
    McCaffrey, Anne - Dragonsdawn - [planetary romance modern]
    McCaffrey, Anne - Runner of Pern - [planetary romance new]
    McCaffrey, Anne - White Dragon,The - [planetary romance modern]
    McDevitt, Jack - Engines of God,The - [new space opera]
    Moorcock, Michael - Blood Red Game,The - [modern space opera]
    Naylor, Grant - Red Dwarf : Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers - [spoof space opera]
    Niven, Larry and Jerry Pournelle - Mote In God's Eye,The - [modern space opera]
    Niven, Larry - Ringworld - [modern space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Absolution Gap - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Century Rain - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - House Of Suns - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Pushing Ice - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Redemption Ark - [new space opera]
    Robinson, Kim Stanley - Blue Mars - [planetary romance new]
    Rosen, Selina - Queen Of Denial - [spoof space opera]
    Rosen, Selina - Recycled - [spoof space opera]
    Rusch, Kristine Kathryn - Diving Into the Wreck - [new space opera]
    Scalzi, John - Old Man's War - [new space opera]
    Scheer, K. H. - Radiant Dome,The - [modern space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - Demon-Breed,The - [modern space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - Tuvela,The - [modern space opera]
    Schroeder, Karl - Sun Of Suns - [planetary romance new]
    Silverberg, Robert - Lord Valentine's Castle - [planetary romance modern]
    Simmons, Dan - Rise of Endymion,The - [new space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Norstrilia - [modern space opera]
    Smith, E. E. Doc - Galactic Patrol - [elder space opera]
    Smith, E. E. Doc - Gray Lensman - [elder space opera]
    Smith, E. E. Doc - Second Stage Lensman - [elder space opera]
    Sterling, Bruce - Schismatrix - [modern space opera]
    Stross, Charles - Singularity Sky - [new space opera]
    Vinge, Joan D. - Snow Queen,The - [planetary romance modern]
    Vinge, Joan D. - Summer Queen,The - [planetary romance modern]
    Vinge, Vernor - Deepness In the Sky,A - [new space opera]
    Walsh, James Morgan - Vandals Of the Void - [elder space opera]
    Williams, Sean and Shane Dix - Dark Imbalance,The - [new space opera]
    Williams, Sean and Shane Dix - Dying Light,The - [new space opera]
    Williams, Sean and Shane Dix - Geodesica : Ascent - [new space opera]
    Williams, Sean and Shane Dix - Prodigal Sun,The - [new space opera]
    Williams, Sean - Earth Ascendant - [new space opera]
    Williams, Sean - Saturn Returns - [new space opera]
    Wilson, F. Paul - Healer - [modern space opera]
    Wolfe, Gene - Shadow of the Torturer,The - [planetary romance modern]
    Wright, John C. - Golden Age,The - [new space opera]

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    4 Star Story Section - 270

    Adams, Douglas - Young Zaphod Plays It Safe - [spoof space opera]
    Aldiss, Brian - T - [elder space opera]
    Anderson, Poul - Duel On Syrtis - [planetary romance elder]
    Anderson, Poul - Margin Of Profit - [elder space opera]
    Anderson, Poul - Master Key,The - [modern space opera]
    Anderson, Poul - Sargasso Of Lost Starships - [elder space opera]
    Anderson, Poul - Star Plunderer,The - [elder space opera]
    Anderson, Poul - Tiger By the Tail - [elder space opera]
    Anderson, Poul - Time Lag - [modern space opera]
    Anvil, Christopher - King's Legions,The - [modern space opera]
    Anvil, Christopher - Pandora's Planet - [modern space opera]
    Anvil, Christopher - Seller's Market - [elder space opera]
    Anvil, Christopher - Test Ultimate - [modern space opera]
    Anvil, Christopher - Trojan Hostage,The - [modern space opera]
    Anvil, Christopher - Troublemaker,The - [modern space opera]
    Arnason, Eleanor - Garden,The - [spoof space opera]
    Asher, Neal - Engineer,The - [new space opera]
    Asher, Neal - Gabble,The - [new space opera]
    Asher, Neal - Garp and Geronamid - [new space opera]
    Asher, Neal - Gridlinked Prologue - [new space opera]
    Asher, Neal - Line Of Polity,The - [new space opera]
    Asher, Neal - Thrake,The - [new space opera]
    Asimov, Isaac - Last Question,The - [elder space opera]
    Barnes, John - Every Hole Is Outlined - [new space opera]
    Barras, Jamie - Endling,The - [new space opera]
    Barton, William - Engine Of Desire,The - [new space opera]
    Baxter, Stephen - Blue Shift - [modern space opera]
    Baxter, Stephen - Cilia-Of-Gold - [new space opera]
    Baxter, Stephen - Conurbation 2473 - [new space opera]
    Baxter, Stephen - Gossamer - [new space opera]
    Baxter, Stephen - Great Game,The - [new space opera]
    Baxter, Stephen - On the Orion Line - [new space opera]
    Baxter, Stephen - Raft - [modern space opera]
    Baxter, Stephen - Remembrance - [new space opera]
    Bear, Greg - Hardfought - [modern space opera]
    Benford, Gregory - Hydrogen Wall,The - [new space opera]
    Benford, Gregory - Worm In the Well,A - [new space opera]
    Bova, Ben - Last Decision,The - [modern space opera]
    Brackett, Leigh - Beast-Jewel Of Mars,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Child Of the Green Light - [elder space opera]
    Brackett, Leigh - Citadel Of Lost Ships,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - City Of the Lost Ones - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Demons Of Darkside,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Dragon-Queen Of Jupiter,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Dragon-Queen Of Venus,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Enchantress Of Venus - [elder space opera]
    Brackett, Leigh - Halfling,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Mars Minus Bisha - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Moon That Vanished,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Moon That Vanished,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Queen Of the Martian Catacombs - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Shadows,The - [elder space opera]
    Brackett, Leigh - Sorcerer Of Rhiannon,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Stellar Legion,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Brin, David - Lungfish - [modern space opera]
    Buckell, Tobias S. - Necahual - [new space opera]
    Buckell, Tobias S. - Placa Del_Fuego - [new space opera]
    Buckell, Tobias S. - Resistance - [new space opera]
    Buckell, Tobias S. - Sly Mongoose 4 - [new space opera]
    Burns, Stephen L. - Bug Trap - [planetary romance new]
    Chandler, A. Bertram - Firebrand Woman - [planetary romance elder]
    Chandler, A. Bertram - Firebrand! - [planetary romance elder]
    Chandler, A. Bertram - Frontier Of the Dark - [modern space opera]
    Chandler, A. Bertram - Grimes At Glenrowan - [modern space opera]
    Chandler, A. Bertram - Grimes and the Gaijin Daimyo - [modern space opera]
    Chandler, A. Bertram - Naval Engagement - [modern space opera]
    Chandler, A. Bertram - Outsiders,The - [elder space opera]
    Chandler, A. Bertram - To Run the Rim - [elder space opera]
    Chapdelaine, Perry A. - Brood World Barbarian - [modern space opera]
    Clarke, Arthur C. - Superiority - [modern space opera]
    Cowley, Stewart - Pirate World,The - [modern space opera]
    Creek, Dave - No Traveller Returns - [new space opera]
    Creek, Dave - Splendor's Truth - [new space opera]
    Daniel, Tony - Valley Of the Gardens,The - [new space opera]
    DeLancey, Craig - Demand Ecology - [new space opera]
    Dedman, Stephen - Shades of Green - [new space opera]
    Dedman, Stephen - Sufficiently Advanced - [planetary romance new]
    Dee, Roger - Interlopers,The - [elder space opera]
    Del_Rey, Lester - Evensong - [modern space opera]
    Dick, Philip K. - Frozen Journey - [modern space opera]
    Dick, Philip K. - Strange Eden - [modern space opera]
    Dick, Philip K. - Tony and the Beetles - [modern space opera]
    Dick, Philip K. - Variable Man,The - [modern space opera]
    Dickson, Gordon R. - On Messenger Mountain - [modern space opera]
    Doctorow, Cory and Benjamin Rosenbaum - True Names - [new space opera]
    Donaldson, Stephen - What Makes Us Human - [modern space opera]
    Eagleton, Chad - Six Bullets For John Carter - [planetary romance new]
    Egan, Greg - Riding the Crocodile - [new space opera]
    Ellison, Harlan - Few The Proud,The - [modern space opera]
    Farmer, Philip Jose - Shadow Of Space,The - [modern space opera]
    Fearn, John Russell - Golden Amazon Returns,The - [elder space opera]
    Flinthart, Dirk - She Walks In Beauty - [planetary romance new]
    Foster, Alan Dean - Pardon Our Conquest - [spoof space opera]
    Garrett, Randall - Highest Treason,The - [modern space opera]
    Haber, Karen - Dog Is My Copilot - [spoof space opera]
    Haldeman, Joe - Separate War,A - [new space opera]
    Haldeman, Joe - This Best Of All Possible Worlds - [modern space opera]
    Haldeman, Joe - You Can Never Go Back - [modern space opera]
    Hamilton, Peter F. - Candy Buds - [new space opera]
    Hamilton, Peter F. - Deathday - [modern space opera]
    Hamilton, Peter F. - Escape Route - [new space opera]
    Hamilton, Peter F. - Second Chance At Eden,A - [new space opera]
    Harrison, Harry - From Fanaticism Or For Reward - [modern space opera]
    Harrison, Harry - Gods Themselves Throw Incense,The - [modern space opera]
    Harrison, Harry - Return Of the Stainless Steel Rat,The - [spoof space opera]
    Hemry, John G. - Lady Be Good - [new space opera]
    Hood, Robert - God Of War - [new space opera]
    Hoyt, Sarah A. - High Stakes - [new space opera]
    Jarpe, Matthew - City Of Reason - [new space opera]
    Jessup, Paul - Open Your Eyes - [new space opera]
    Jones, Bruce - Pride Of the Fleet - [planetary romance modern]
    Jones, Gwyneth - Saving Tiamaat - [new space opera]
    Kenyon, Kay - Space Crawl Blues,The - [new space opera]
    Killough, Lee - Jarabon,The - [modern space opera]
    Killough, Lee - Symphony For A Lost Traveler - [modern space opera]
    Kress, Nancy - Art of War - [new space opera]
    Kress, Nancy - First Flight - [new space opera]
    Kress, Nancy - Shiva In Shadow - [new space opera]
    Kuttner, Henry - We Guard the Black Planet! - [elder space opera]
    Kuttner, Henry - What Hath Me? - [planetary romance elder]
    Lake, Jay - Eating Their Sins and Ours - [new space opera]
    Lake, Jay - To Raise A Mutiny Betwixt Yourselves - [new space opera]
    Lake, Jay - Tower To the Sun,A - [planetary romance new]
    Landis, Geoffrey A. - Long Chase,The - [new space opera]
    Langford, David - Spear Of the Sun,The - [spoof space opera]
    Laumer, Keith - Further Sky,The - [modern space opera]
    Laumer, Keith - Mind Out Of Time - [modern space opera]
    Laumer, Keith - Other Sky,The - [modern space opera]
    Laumer, Keith - Three Blind Mice - [modern space opera]
    Le_Guin, Ursula K. - Winter's King - [modern space opera]
    Lee, Yoon Ha - Black Abacus,The - [new space opera]
    Leiber, Fritz - Moon Duel - [modern space opera]
    Leinster, Murray - Lonely Planet,The - [elder space opera]
    Leinster, Murray - Mutant Weapon,The - [modern space opera]
    Lumley, Brian - Gaddy's Gloves - [new space opera]
    Lupoff, Richard A. - After the Dreamtime - [modern space opera]
    Lupoff, Richard A. - Sail the Tide of Mourning - [modern space opera]
    MacDonald, John D. - Escape To Chaos - [elder space opera]
    MacLeod, Ken - Who's Afraid of Wolf 359? - [new space opera]
    Maggin, Elliot S. - Starwinds Howl - [media space opera]
    Martin, George R. R. - Nor the Many Colored Fires of a Star Ring - [modern space opera]
    Martin, George R. R. - Second Kind Of Loneliness,The - [modern space opera]
    McAuley, Paul J. - Crimes and Glory - [new space opera]
    McAuley, Paul J. - Dead Men Walking - [new space opera]
    McAuley, Paul J. - Incomers - [new space opera]
    McAuley, Paul J. - Recording Angel - [new space opera]
    McCaffrey, Anne - Beyond Between - [planetary romance new]
    McCaffrey, Anne - Smallest Dragonboy,The - [planetary romance modern]
    McDevitt, Jack - Black To Move - [modern space opera]
    McDevitt, Jack - Kaminsky At War - [new space opera]
    McDevitt, Jack - Melville On Iapetus - [modern space opera]
    McGarry, Mark - Mercy Gate,The - [new space opera]
    Meaney, John - Blood and Verse - [new space opera]
    Meaney, John - From the Heart - [new space opera]
    Menard, Yves - Tobacco Words - [new space opera]
    Meredith, Jerry and D. E. Smirl - Dream In A Bottle - [modern space opera]
    Mitchell, Victor and John Ringo - Ship Named Francis,A - [new space opera]
    Moles, David - Planet Of the Amazon Women - [new space opera]
    Moore, C. L. and Forrest J. Ackerman - Nymph Of Darkness - [planetary romance elder]
    Moore, C. L. - Black Thirst - [planetary romance elder]
    Moore, C. L. - Cold Gray God,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Moore, C. L. - Dust Of Gods - [planetary romance elder]
    Moore, C. L. - Julhi - [planetary romance elder]
    Moore, C. L. - Werewoman - [planetary romance elder]
    Niven, Larry - Down In Flames - [modern space opera]
    Niven, Larry - Neutron Star - [modern space opera]
    Niven, Larry - There Is A Tide - [modern space opera]
    Nomarhas, Carole - Soul Horizon - [new space opera]
    Nordley, G. David - Dawn Venus - [planetary romance new]
    Persons, Dan - Game Of the Apocalypse,A - [media space opera]
    Powell, Gareth L. - Memory Dust - [new space opera]
    Randall, Marta - Secret Rider - [modern space opera]
    Reed, Robert - Brother Perfect - [new space opera]
    Reed, Robert - Caldera Of Good Fortune,The - [new space opera]
    Reed, Robert - Hoop-of-Benzene - [new space opera]
    Reed, Robert - Lying To Dogs - [new space opera]
    Reed, Robert - Sister Alice - [new space opera]
    Resnick, Mike - Catastrophe Baker and the Cold Equations - [spoof space opera]
    Resnick, Mike - Conspirators,The - [modern space opera]
    Resnick, Mike - Nicobar Lane: The Soul Eater's Story - [new space opera]
    Resnick, Mike - Nicodemus Mayflower And The Aliens - [spoof space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Galactic North - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Glacial - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Grafenwalder's Bestiary - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Hideaway - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - House Of Suns 2 - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Minla's Flowers - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Monkey Suit - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Nightingale - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Scales - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Alastair - Weather - [new space opera]
    Reynolds, Mack - Prone - [spoof space opera]
    Roberson, Chris - Eventide - [new space opera]
    Robinson, Kim Stanley - Green Mars - [planetary romance new]
    Rosen, Selina - Salvager's Gold - [new space opera]
    Rosenblum, Mary - Eye Of God,The - [new space opera]
    Ross, Deborah J. - Price Of Silence,The - [new space opera]
    Rusch, Kristine Kathryn - Defect - [new space opera]
    Rusch, Kristine Kathryn - Diving Into the Wreck - [new space opera]
    Rusch, Kristine Kathryn - Room Of Lost Souls,The - [new space opera]
    Ryman, Geoff - Film-Makers Of Mars,The - [planetary romance new]
    Saberhagen, Fred - Goodlife - [modern space opera]
    Saberhagen, Fred - Inhuman Error - [modern space opera]
    Saberhagen, Fred - Stone Place - [modern space opera]
    Sanford, Jason - Sublimation Angels - [new space opera]
    Scalzi, John - After the Coup - [spoof space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - Company Planet - [modern space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - Compulsion - [modern space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - End Of the Line,The - [elder space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - Lion Game,The - [modern space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - Novice - [modern space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - Second Night Of Summer - [modern space opera]
    Schroeder, Karl - Halo - [new space opera]
    Schroeder, Karl - Queen of Candesce 3 - [planetary romance new]
    Sheckley, Robert - Welcome To the Standard Nightmare - [spoof space opera]
    Sheckley, Robert - Zirn Left Unguarded the Jenghik Palace in Flames Jon Westerley Dead - [spoof space opera]
    Sheffield, Charles - Bee's Kiss,The - [new space opera]
    Sheffield, Charles - With Mcandrew Out Of Focus - [new space opera]
    Shepard, Lucius - Barnacle Bill the Spacer - [new space opera]
    Silverberg, Robert - Book Of Changes,The - [planetary romance modern]
    Silverberg, Robert - Emperor and the Maula,The - [spoof space opera]
    Silverberg, Robert - Iron Star,The - [modern space opera]
    Silverberg, Robert - Ship Sister Star Sister - [modern space opera]
    Silverberg, Robert - Symbiont - [modern space opera]
    Silverberg, Robert - Thief In Ni-Moya,A - [planetary romance modern]
    Singh, Vandana - Oblivion A Journey - [new space opera]
    Smith, Clark Ashton - Immortals of Mercury,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Boy Who Bought Old Earth,The - [modern space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Colonel Came Back from Nothing-at-All,The - [elder space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Crime and the Glory of Commander Suzdal,The - [elder space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Game of Rat and Dragon,The - [elder space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Golden the Ship was Oh! Oh! Oh! - [elder space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Lady Who Sailed the Soul,The - [modern space opera]
    Sparks, Cat - Bride Price,The - [planetary romance new]
    Spinrad, Norman - Maker Of Worlds - [new space opera]
    Sterling, Bruce - Cicada Queen - [modern space opera]
    Sterling, Bruce - Sunken Gardens - [modern space opera]
    Sterling, Bruce - Swarm - [modern space opera]
    Stone, Eric James - Premature Emergence - [new space opera]
    Stross, Charles - Bear Trap - [new space opera]
    Sullivan, Tricia - Post-Ironic Stress Syndrome - [new space opera]
    Sussex, Lucy - Mist and Murder - [planetary romance new]
    Swanwick, Michael - Helium - [spoof space opera]
    Tiptree_Jr, James - Momentary Taste Of Being,A - [modern space opera]
    Tiptree_Jr, James - Mother In the Sky With Diamonds - [modern space opera]
    Van_Vogt, A. E. - Cooperate Or Else - [elder space opera]
    Van_Vogt, A. E. - Home Of the Gods - [planetary romance elder]
    Van_Vogt, A. E. - Recruiting Station - [elder space opera]
    Varley, John - Black Hole Passes,The - [modern space opera]
    Varley, John - Equinoctial - [modern space opera]
    Wandrei, Donald - Red Brain,The - [elder space opera]
    Weber, David - Ms Midshipwoman Harrington - [new space opera]
    Westerfeld, Scott - Movements Of Her Eyes,The - [new space opera]
    Williams, Sean and Shane Dix - Dark Imbalance Prologue,A - [new space opera]
    Williams, Sean and Shane Dix - Origins of Humanity an Open-Ended Question,The - [new space opera]
    Williams, Sean and Shane Dix - Prodigal Sun - [new space opera]
    Williams, Sean - Inevitable - [new space opera]
    Williams, Sean - Saturn Returns - [new space opera]
    Willingham, Bill - Fearless Space Pirates Of The Outer Rings - [new space opera]
    Wilson, F. Paul - Pard - [modern space opera]
    Wolfe, Gene - No Planets Strike - [spoof space opera]
    Wright, John C. - Guest Law - [new space opera]
    Wright, John C. - Last Of All Suns,The - [new space opera]
    Y_Robertson, R. Garcia - Bird Herding - [new space opera]
    Y_Robertson, R. Garcia - Oxygen Rising - [new space opera]
    Y_Robertson, R. Garcia - SinBad the Sand Sailor - [new space opera]
    Y_Robertson, R. Garcia - Teen Angel - [new space opera]
    Y_Robertson, R. Garcia - Wife-stealing Time - [planetary romance new]
    Zahn, Timothy - Pawn's Gambit - [modern space opera]
    Zelazny, Roger - Rose For Ecclesiastes,A - [planetary romance modern]


    4 Star Anthology Section - 1

    Hartwell, David G. and Kathryn Cramer - Space Opera Renaissance,The - [new space opera]


    4 Star Collection Section - 30

    Anderson, Poul - Agent Of the Terran Empire - [elder space opera]
    Anderson, Poul - David Falkayn Star Trader - [modern space opera]
    Anderson, Poul - Long Night,The - [modern space opera]
    Anderson, Poul - Rise Of the Terran Empire - [modern space opera]
    Anderson, Poul - Star Fox,The - [modern space opera]
    Anderson, Poul - Trader To the Stars - [modern space opera]
    Barnes, Arthur K. - Interplanetary Hunter,The - [planetary romance elder]
    Brackett, Leigh - Mercury's Light - [planetary romance elder]
    Chandler, A. Bertram - Catch the Star Winds - [modern space opera]
    Chandler, A. Bertram - Far Traveler,The - [modern space opera]
    Chandler, A. Bertram - Hard Way Up,The - [modern space opera]
    Chandler, A. Bertram - Rim Gods,The - [modern space opera]
    Eisler, Steven - Space Wars Worlds and Weapons - [modern space opera]
    Godwin, Tom - Cold Equations and Other Stories,The - [elder space opera]
    Laumer, Keith - Legions Of Space - [modern space opera]
    Moore, C. L. - Black Gods and Scarlet Dreams - [planetary romance elder]
    Moore, C. L. - Judgment Night - [planetary romance elder]
    Niven, Larry - Neutron Star - [modern space opera]
    Reed, Robert - Sister Alice - [new space opera]
    Saberhagen, Fred - Berserker Wars - [modern space opera]
    Saberhagen, Fred - Berserker - [modern space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - Eternal Frontier - [modern space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - Original Edition Of Edited Schmitz Stories - [modern space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - T'N'T Telzey and Trigger - [modern space opera]
    Schmitz, James H. - Telzey Amberdon - [modern space opera]
    Sheffield, Charles - Compleat McAndrew,The - [modern space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Instrumentality Of Mankind,The - [elder space opera]
    Smith, Cordwainer - Quest Of the Three Worlds - [elder space opera]
    Van_Vogt, A. E. - Best Of A. E. Van_Vogt ,The - [modern space opera]
    Van_Vogt, A. E. - War Against the Rull,The - [elder space opera]

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    Ha! Take that: mega-infodump!

    (And Thanks, BlueT!)

    Think if we're not careful though, we could lose the theme by surrounding the core with lots of OK books.

    Some of those new lists do mention books already in the list...

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    Bluetyson, if you've read all those, props to you. But some line breaks would still be nice.

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    As long as you can vouche for everything on the list thats fine with me. I think i'll do weekly updates instead of daily.

    Also douglas adams and sagerhagen i would leave off the list. hitchikers is not on the same scale as everything else on that list really. its funny and decent, but not list worthy in my opinion. saberhagen isnt even close to list worthy in my opinion, unless someone can educate me.
    Last edited by Andols; October 25th, 2010 at 07:20 AM.

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    I don't have many of these books. What would you guys recoomend on the list. Or shall I say. There are too many options. If you guys could narrow some of them down. Where would you begin

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    I don't have many of these books. What would you guys recoomend on the list. Or shall I say. There are too many options. If you guys could narrow some of them down. Where would you begin
    THats the whole point of the list. you can begin anywhere you wish. if you want to tell us some specific elements that you enjoy someone could narrow it down a bit further, other than that, have at it!

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