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June 8th, 2011, 05:31 AM #706
Thing is, I'm at about the same point in the story in the book as the show is, and the dire wolves haven't really done much more in the book except be mentioned more often. As far as actual plot consequences, everything they've done in the book has been on-screen.
June 8th, 2011, 08:57 AM #707
Untrue. There is a number of scenes where the wolves decide the outcome. Like, for example, the wildlings' attack on Bran in the forest, where Summer wasn't even present in the show. Not to mention Shaggydog is not in the show AT ALL. Now, I know that Ricon isn't important to the story for now, but there is a number of scenes with his wolf getting more and more wild. Of course, you can't really do that with glorified huskies...
June 8th, 2011, 09:12 AM #708
People who haven't read the book and are just watching the show, are not upset about these things.
June 8th, 2011, 10:28 AM #709
I am not really "upset" either. I don't do direct comparisons because it's stupid to do so. I just think - either do this kind of detail right, or not at all.
June 8th, 2011, 03:45 PM #710
We know how large direwolves grow in the TV Show, given the size of their dead mother. I see no reason to panic. HBO likely just want to draw it out. If all goes well their second season budget will be bigger.
As for Miri, no matter the original reasoning, I do believe George and the show might be taking it down the 'It's her fault from the start' route, because, well... 'Stop helping me. QAQ IT STINGS!' Doesn't seem like a very Dothraki thing to say. Even if he did get supersticious, he wouldn't admit that. Plus, the guy is whipped bad by Dany now. xD
Also, again, YEY SYRIO!
He totally escaped and -waves hand in front of face- Magic!
I also wished Selmy would have taken down all five of those Kingsguard men. Huff. What an absolute idiot Joffrey is...Or his mother. I mean, if you honestly have concerns for Selmy's ability at least keep him on for admin and PR reasons. You don't want that guy as your enemy. I also thought Petyr making a joke at him was something dumb that he wouldn't do. It's like insulting national treasures, it never comes off well for you - A good PR mogal should know this.
Syrio v Bronn v Selmy please. -whine-
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June 8th, 2011, 04:14 PM #711
Well, first off, Grey Wind can't tear through the Lannister army because they haven't fought the Lannister army yet. Second, yes, Ghost makes sounds because the t.v. audience isn't going to get why Ghost doesn't make sounds unless you spend dialogue time explaining it, which they can't afford to do. And yes, there was no guard outside of Jon's door who got killed, Ghost didn't attack the wight and then have to be called back to avoid being set on fire, and they didn't have the raven saying distinct words, or the zombie hand creeping up Jon's body into his mouth, because that all costs money and is too complicated and involves exposing the dog to fire. The key thing was zombie attacks commander, Jon sets it on fire, so we know what kills them and Jon gets out of the trouble he's in. They did that. Summer wasn't in the Bran wildings scene for the same reason -- he wasn't absolutely necessary. This is not the story of people who run with a pack of killer wolves. But when a wolf is necessary -- warning Jon of danger, taking two fingers off an uppity lord, attacking Joffrey -- then they will be there. And that's the best they're going to do for now.
June 8th, 2011, 04:19 PM #712
That makes more sense, Kat. All though Selmy never seemed like the storming off type. xD
Also, think of Nymeria and her pack. The wolves are stirring in Book 2, BUT by Book 4 they are described as dragging men from their horses, and the bitch that leads them is scarily large. (Some comparrison to a horse is made.)
It's like puppies. It's been about... 3/4 months in the books? A puppy would not be fully grown yet. They have gone from how tiny Summer was to the size of normal wolves (large dogs). Calm. xD
June 8th, 2011, 04:52 PM #713
Not sure where to post this but its about the show, so. . . Anyway I was at some training for work today and a couple of us were chatting up the show and met another person who is totally loving it - but has never read the books. She was telling me how much she liked Ned and Drogo - I did not spoil it. Anyway We talked up the books and the next thing you know on lunch break we make for the book store where she bought the first four. It was a buy three get the fourth free. Score!!
Anyway it was pretty cool.
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June 8th, 2011, 06:36 PM #716
Was it just me, or was that episode about 19 minutes long? I'm not sure I can handle the intensity. And we've barely got started...
June 8th, 2011, 06:42 PM #717
Ghost and Grey Wind were part of many combats, and probably saved their Master's lives and enhanced their reputations. Ghost, especailly, found many items that were integral to the movement of the plot and now who knows where he is? Poor Grey Wind, though. :C
Summer is even more inportant. If he had not saved Bran and Cat then the whole set-up of the series would be different, and he is basically a PPV character half the time---opening up Bran's warging skills.
Lady, while dieing early on, is a metaphore and a warning and could be niportant. Nymeria is becoming inportant and I tingle at the mention of the raging Riverland wolf pack.
Shaggydog, well, at least he's WITH Rikkon.
The whole idea - five wolves and a runt. How convinient. Stupidly so, actually, for Martin. They are inportant in my view.
But I still don't really worry about their size or anything, and they are being used a lot more often now.
June 8th, 2011, 07:40 PM #718
I think everyone can agree that we have no idea how important these wolves are. The books will soon tell us. And remember if this is season 1 of a 6 season series(hopefully at least), then they have time to fix their mistakes.
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June 8th, 2011, 09:42 PM #720
The CGI team for Season 1 was made up of six people.
The CGI team for Season 2 is going to be made up of thirty people.
So yeah, I think it's safe to say we'll be seeing CG direwolves and probably more involved and more ambitious CGI in general (exploding warships on the Blackwater, anyone? Though probably only a couple of shots) in the second season. It's going to be interesting to see how they handle Pyke, Dragonstone and Harrenhal, which are all fairly interesting designs in the books, and Qarth, a huge bustling city of the kind they've avoided doing so far (though that may change in this week's episode, which has more stuff in the city of King's Landing itself rather than just the Red Keep).