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April 14th, 2010, 08:45 AM #1
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What's so bad about Terry Goodkind?
Sorry, another noobie question. please forgive me
So i've been searching around lately and noticed that terry goodkind despite being one of the most popular fantasy authors going around (to my knowledge) also seems to be really, really hated by a lot of people and referred to as really "trashy" sort of fantasy. is this a case of people hating on what's "in" just for that fact that it is in, are there legitimate problems in his work, or is it simply a matter of preference?
i was thinking about reading wizard's first rule when i'm done with a name of the wind so i dunno, i'm curious as to what peoples opinions are on the guy.
April 14th, 2010, 09:18 AM #2
Others will be able to answer better than me, but it is of popular opinion on this board, and many others, that the series goes from decent to absolute trash after the first few novels, but beyond that, he comes across as an arrogant jerk to the fantasy community through several different interviews he has done.
April 14th, 2010, 09:18 AM #3
For the most part, people have problem with the author himself, and that translates to hating the books themselves. That's not to say that some of the things criticized in the books aren't valid, but you'd find that most of the criticism towards him and his series find root in Goodkind being a complete jackass.
I enjoyed the Sword of Truth series, given there were some passages and repetitive monologues that annoyed the heck out of me, but as a whole I enjoyed the series.
April 14th, 2010, 09:41 AM #4
One reason I hear a lot is he's turned the SoT books into a vehicle for getting his own beliefs across, similar to what Ayn Rand did I believe.
I found a post on another forum here which might help explain it a little.
This little snippet also shows roughly what people mean when they say he's inspired by Ayn Rand too much.
I found some other things but they'd spoil the series. You should still read at least the first two books though
April 14th, 2010, 10:00 AM #5
April 14th, 2010, 10:49 AM #6
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i get what you're saying. gotta respect that ponytail though, lol!
April 14th, 2010, 11:27 AM #7
He looks like a gone-wrong George Carlin.
April 14th, 2010, 11:27 AM #8
Almost everything he says in interviews betrays him for a moron and an ass. Understanding that, it's hard to choke down a series that harps constantly on the intelligence and righteousness of its protagonists when their brilliance is being written by a dumb guy. He will sit there and tell you smart and wonderful Richard and Kahlahn are and then they constantly do DUMB things. Then everyone else in the story has to be more or less retarded to make Richard and Kahlahn look smart. Wizard's First Rule (which btw is "People Are Stupid) is supposed to be one of the better books but I couldn't take any more after I got through that one.
April 14th, 2010, 11:29 AM #9
That'd explain every dumb choice Richard made in Legend of the Seeker. I seriously gave up with it, because not even the lovely Bridget Regan can save it now
He just constantly walks into stupid situations. Save the world or save a village? He saves the village.
Kill people and aid the keeper or don't kill people and make it easier? He kills people.
April 14th, 2010, 11:36 AM #10
Try to find here or anywhere on the Net really where Scott Bakker addresses the ridiculous BS Goodkind spews. He rips through objectivism like soggy kleenex. Now there's someone who can write a smart character.
April 14th, 2010, 12:42 PM #11
I'd say the books really wouldn't be bad if you haven't read much fantasy, but after the first 3 or 4 books or so the characters change very little and Richard becomes extremely self-righteous and lectures way too much(I just skipped the paragraphs every time he started to ramble about philosophy) which makes the series hard to read when he's the main character.
April 14th, 2010, 05:03 PM #12
I'm honestly not really familiar with Goodkind as a person. What drove me nuts about the series was the terrible choices the main characters made, all for the benefit of continuing a plot thread, i.e Richard can't go spend a little time with Zed to learn to control his new power because he has to go save the mud people or whatever (forgive me, I've forgotten the finer points of the plot over the years).
anyway there is just much better stuff out there. much better popular stuff taboot.
April 14th, 2010, 06:20 PM #13
There is no shortage of Goodkind haters here but I hope you give Wizards First Rule a shot. I can't defend Goodkind's personality but I thought the Sword of Truth series was one of the best I have ever read. Be warned it is very dark and has a lot of sexual content. The repetition of the devotion is annoying and it might be longer than it needed to be but I thought his characters were excellent.
April 14th, 2010, 06:27 PM #14
Nothing to do with Goodkind as a person or the stuff he says (which is just hilarious anyway). The books fall into the awful category because they are simply very, very badly written.
That said, they do some some elements which fall into the 'so bad it's hilarious' category, such as:
The noble goat who saves the day in one of the books.
The evil shapeshifter who menaces one of the main characters disguised as a war chicken.
The bad guy who convinces a bunch of people to ban fire. They agree.
The good guy who convinces a bunch of people to run naked through the snow to sneak up on the enemy army. They agree.
The bit where the hero is captured by the enemy and put to work doing menial labour in a city, wherein he carves a beautiful statue to inspire hope in the populace which triggers a spontaneous revolution (note that he has no stone-carving skills prior to this at all). The statue is of himself looking awesome. This may be the most retarded thing I have ever read in a novel published by reputable publishing houses.
The bit where the hero, imprisoned in a prison camp, manages to escape and kills several dozen guards before he is apprehended once again. The prison commandant, instead of say punishing him for killing his guards or putting him in solitary confinement, is wowed by our hero's elite skills and asks him to join the prison soccer team. This may be the second-most retarded thing I have etc.
Unfortunately these fantastic scenes are nuggets of gold amidst a wilderness of 150-page Objectivist rants and writing so excruciating that it makes you want to give the Booker Prize to David Eddings.
April 14th, 2010, 06:49 PM #15
I guess its ok to personally attack authors now. Please excuse me while i create a "Is George R R Martin the laziest author in fantasy?" thread.