July 17th, 2011, 08:07 PM
But all three Lanister children have blond hair and blue eyes, what do we know of their mothers coloration? It seems unlikely they could have a different father and possess such distinctly Lannister coloring if she did not. The Targaryn tend to silver blond hair right? I refuse to look up recessive genes, though I find myself sorely tempted.
July 18th, 2011, 05:28 PM
I went back and re-read what Selmy tells us and it sounds like Aerys just acted inappropriately at the bedding, whatever that means. Of course, Martin does here what he does nearly everywhere. He plants lots and lots of seeds and it is anyone's guess as to which one will sprout.
Originally Posted by Werthead
Ornery, all I know is that Joanna was a cousin to Tywin, so I assume she had the expected coloring for a Lannister.
Did anyone else get tired of Tyrion wondering where do whores go? Actually, Tyrion's humor is fast becoming juvenile, esp when it's focused on his member.
Last edited by Raule; July 18th, 2011 at 05:30 PM.
July 19th, 2011, 10:04 AM
A little but I think it showed that he has lost it a little.
Originally Posted by Raule
July 19th, 2011, 02:37 PM
"Where do whores go?" Here is what I want to see, and the only reason to pound us, the readers, with the "where do whores go." I want to see justice for Shae. Tyrion kills his father who was evil, so it's ok. But he kills also Shae, whom I liked and who was innocent of any wrongdoing, and he is not contrite. Here is my justice: Shae was Tysha. Eventually he will learn exactly where whores go.
July 19th, 2011, 05:17 PM
What do readers think of Brown Ben Plumm? He admits to having a drop of Targ blood, and Tyrion says to him: "Not only do I know that the queen's dragons took to you, but I know why." I assumed he's probably an ancestor of the Plumm that appears in The Mystery Knight. Will he be instrumental in helping someone tame a dragon?
July 19th, 2011, 06:20 PM
Hmmm, there mother was a cousin interesting..
I actually thought Shae had it coming, I would need to reread but I recall being quite satisfied by her end. It seems highly doubtful she is Tysha unless she can change her face, and the way Tyrion acquired her seems to make any intent upon her part doubly dubious.
July 19th, 2011, 10:21 PM
Not going to loo up the spelling
Talking about The Red Priestess looking at fires and missing the point. She stared at the flames asking Rhollor for hints an Ahzi whatever and all she gets is Jon Snow. That is something thats so obvious she should have realized it when she thought it.
July 19th, 2011, 11:01 PM
True, but she has long since concluded that Stannis is AA, has staked a great deal on it, and has recently been unable to see him. If Stannis is AA and cannot be seen in the flames then them showing Jon Snow, an important individual to the cause, makes a kind of sense.
July 20th, 2011, 05:00 PM
sultan of smug
Finished, liked it very much. An excellent 25th birthday present from the bearded one. Here's hoping the next one turns up before I'm 30 and completely over the hill...
Would have liked a Sandor Clegane cameo, though. Especially as his brother's turned up out of the basement, as per expectations.
And my money's on Stannis being the new Reek (third of his name).
July 21st, 2011, 04:02 AM
Is Winter Coming?
July 21st, 2011, 10:14 AM
\m/ BEER \m/
- Jon isn't dead
- Stannis isn't dead
- It took long enough for Dany to get interesting in this book, but she eventually did.
- Tyrion, of course, was great
- Reek/Theon chapters terrific. In my recent re-read of the series, I'm becoming more of a fan of the Greyjoys, Asha in particular
- Melisandre is blind to the obvious
- Finally, we see Varys, but who was with him? I was thinking one might be Cat of the Canals at first
Great book, loved it, but the frakking cliffhangers for the Big Three characters? Frustrating knowing the pending wait for the next book.
July 21st, 2011, 10:20 AM
0.5 consisting of these cool ideas:
when dragons nested in the pyramids and burned Meereen
Chuck Norris' cameo
the possibility that Bloodraven controls Jeor's bird, or even has eyes all over Westeros
Victarion and the burned priest are funny
a couple of Tyrion's new jokes
Manderly's granddaughter and the Freys lying about the Red Wedding
Jon going for the chopping block instead of hanging
July 21st, 2011, 11:08 AM
I think you gave aFfC half a star too many, but yeah.
Originally Posted by Slynt
July 23rd, 2011, 01:04 AM
Personally I'm getting really tired of Meereen. It's an unnecessary side-tale which is going on way too long. Dany's storyline is becoming incredibly stale for me, was really hoping to see her make it to Westeros in this book- though at least she finally rode the dragon.
Enjoyed Jon's chapters as always, and liked where Tyrion's story was going at first...later on, not so sure. Have to wait until the next book (if it comes :P) to make my decision there.
Agree with Rob that Theon's chapters were quite good, as well as the emergence of Aegon and Jon Connington. The brief updates of the characters from AFFC were decent, though far from spectacular.
So this book was very good at times, but overall I wasn't terribly impressed. I feel like this could have come out years ago and been as good- especially if, as we have been told, the primary issue was the Meereenese knot.
Slynt's grade probably isn't far from what I'd give as well, maybe a solid 3 though.
So after AFFC I was hoping GRRM would redeem himself with ADWD...now I will have to hope he will redeem himself with TWoW. Lol. I vote for more Roose Bolton.
July 23rd, 2011, 03:24 AM
Totally agree about Meereen, I just don't care at all. It's dull and just feels inconsequential to me when she wants to leave Meereen eventually anyway. Atleast before Dany was building up her forces for her invasion of Westeros, but Meereen just feels like procrastination.
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