Reaction to "THAT" scene in Storm of Swords [SPOILERS!!]

[stormborn]

I was a bit sad about Robb's death. I thought he would have more story, so I was quite shocked. And he wasn't a character I really cared deeply for anyway. But I was more horrified to find out what they did to his body.

I already knew Catelyn would die and be tossed in a river, what with the "woman who is a fish" prophecy, and since I didn't really care that much about her character anyway, I was just 'meh' about her death. I was more pissed off about what she did in the moments beforehand.

For me, the saddest part of the Red Wedding was when Cat killed Jinglebell. He was just a half-wit fool. She only killed him after they killed Robb anyway, so why not just make a leap for Lord Frey? Sure, he's going to die soon anyway, being super-old, but at least he's of more importance than Jinglebell. And in the time that ASOIAF is set, most people wouldn't care about people like Jinglebell - especially the Freys, who have heaps of spares anyway.

[PeteMC]

Unlisted Option 6 - I thought it was an excellent bit of storytelling. Suddenly "obvious hero of the series guy" is, um, not any more, which really makes you look at some of the other characters a bit harder IMO.

I already knew Catelyn would die and be tossed in a river, what with the "woman who is a fish" prophecy.

That's just a reference to her originally being a Tully (their heraldry is a leaping trout) surely?

[stormborn]

That's just a reference to her originally being a Tully (their heraldry is a leaping trout) surely?

The fish part is, definitely. The full prophecy is:
“I dreamt of a roaring river, and a woman who was a fish. Dead she drifted, with red tears on her cheeks, but when her eyes did open, oh, I woke from terror.”
I knew it'd have to be a Tully, but Lysa didn't seem very likely, so I figured it was Cat. So it didn't come as a surprise to me when she was killed.

[PeteMC]

Right, got you. I'd forgotten that bit.

[saintjon]

That is clearly more than just a reference to her being a Tully. Kind of spooky really.

[Asimovking]

The fish part is, definitely. The full prophecy is:
“I dreamt of a roaring river, and a woman who was a fish. Dead she drifted, with red tears on her cheeks, but when her eyes did open, oh, I woke from terror.”
I knew it'd have to be a Tully, but Lysa didn't seem very likely, so I figured it was Cat. So it didn't come as a surprise to me when she was killed.

Great prophecy

Have to catch it when I do a re-read.

[Loerwyn]

I was a Stark fan, but in a way this scene is what ended my love affair with them.

See... I had little sympathy for Catelyn anyway. She's okay as a character, but she just wound me up with her attitude at times, and a lot of her later chapters basically became "i am sad i only have robb now and he has that queen and i am miserable and i dont like this" - justified, sure, but it just got dull. I think Robb also brought it on himself. Maybe he didn't deserve what he got, but it was pretty clear from the start that the Freys are not to be messed around with (particularly Lord Frey himself) and when Robb did what he did? Well, it's his own fault in a way.

I'm just glad it means an end to chapters of battle plans and lots of characters whose names I forgot

[NickeeCoco]

I was a Stark fan, but in a way this scene is what ended my love affair with them.

See... I had little sympathy for Catelyn anyway. She's okay as a character, but she just wound me up with her attitude at times, and a lot of her later chapters basically became "i am sad i only have robb now and he has that queen and i am miserable and i dont like this" - justified, sure, but it just got dull. I think Robb also brought it on himself. Maybe he didn't deserve what he got, but it was pretty clear from the start that the Freys are not to be messed around with (particularly Lord Frey himself) and when Robb did what he did? Well, it's his own fault in a way.

I'm just glad it means an end to chapters of battle plans and lots of characters whose names I forgot

I'm so glad someone else out there agrees with me.

[Lazerus]

Well, I finally got to this part of the book. I had accidentally exposed myself to a spoiler for this scene, however I still knew very little. The whole scene shocked me, however inevitable. Although he could manage and army and win battles, he wasn't good at playing the game of thrones. Catelyn, however, is (was) very cabable, which I think is part of the reason people don't like her. She just couldn't convice Robb to do what he needed to do. He was like his father in that respect.

With that said, Robb was cursed by Stannis, so was his death really solely as a result of his actions or as a result of some deadly magic? I have read up to Edric's escape. At that point the three cursed kings are dead, so the curse seems valid to me.