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July 19th, 2011, 02:17 PM #16
I'm not going to pile on a book that was obviously a brutal struggle for an author I like very much (and reads like it). You can go elsewhere for the pile-on.
MILD SPOILERS AHEAD
I'll just say this: Judging by AFFC and ADWD, Martin should have gone with the fast-forward after ASOS he originally envisioned. The events of ASOS are apocalyptic, and a fast-forward would have given Martin some fresh backstory to play with -- something he does very, very well. The way the history of Robert's Rebellion is revealed (and the speculation that fills in the gaps) is one of the things that really set the first three books apart.
With a fast-forward after ASOS, Martin could have done the same thing with the events following that book, and the exposition could have been parceled out in hints, clues, and reveals so the reader can piece it together on their own, without having to read 2,000 pages of POV characters wandering in circles, riding pigs, attending to administrative challenges, waiting for the wind to fill their sails, or buried in snowstorms.
Also, don't call your book "A Dance with Dragons" and then chain the dragons in a pit for the duration of the book.
July 20th, 2011, 06:09 PM #17
and frankly, I think more than enough happens in ADWD. The 'dance' is obviously metaphorical - the pursuit of Dany and her pets by a whole host of people for different ends quite clearly dominates the bulk of the book. In that respect it's oddly one of the most cohesive in the whole series, despite its sprawling girth. Besides which
Spoiler:SHE GETS ON ONE AND FRIGGIN FLIES AROUND ON IT
for crying out loud.
July 20th, 2011, 08:31 PM #18
I have the last five chapters to go and I have to say that I have loved the book. I am so tired of reading reviews where people are complaining about how slow this book is and how bad it is just like AFFC. Well I liked AFFC so in one sense I don't agree with these people. Yes it was a slow book, like this one is but there are plenty of things that you learn if you pay attention. And for crying out loud people we knew that this book, at least part of it was part of the book AFFC. It was all supposed to be one book. So why would it be much different from AFFC? I think people were expecting ASOS again and that just isn't going to happen. As someone else said all action all the time is boring. I enjoy the quiet moments where things happen that make you think. Yes I have enjoyed the later part of this book. It does move forward a little faster. And I am hoping that Martin can move the plot forward in the next one. Only because I hope he can tell this story in seven books like he has said.
July 21st, 2011, 11:06 AM #19
July 21st, 2011, 01:04 PM #20
I don't think they were too high at all, the writing isn't bad, the plot has always been this slow in Asoiaf books.
It's just that general thing of when something is drawn out so much and built up, people will never be happy.
Like when Family Guy drag on jokes so long that the punchline can never make up for it.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:10 AM #21
I enjoyed the latest book very much. It wasn't perfect, of course, but I look at it like this:
I regard the third book as the best (so far) because it was very climactic. The first two led up to it, making it a mini climax--kind of like an ending of the First Act (in 3 Act story.)
So I regard the books afterward as leading up to another climactic book. Whether it'll be the sixth book that's a mini-climax like the third, or it'll be the seventh and final one that's a slam-bang climactic finale - still remains to be seen.
July 22nd, 2011, 10:31 AM #22
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