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February 23rd, 2012, 05:17 PM #91
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Not related to the trad/non-trad publishing thing: One boom that soon will glut and go bust is Kickstarter. If you're planning on getting your fanbase to "ransom" a work of yours, best get started.
February 23rd, 2012, 05:21 PM #92
My assertion of "full control" stems from the ability to leave. Not an implication that I could bend Amazon to do anything other than what they desire, and IF they start any kind of widespread sheninagans then yes people may need to act fast. So it's all been a good exchange.
There is not a single "right path" only one that best aligns with your goals.
Yes, I agree that we both understand, unlike some of those who are truly on polar sides of the "which is right - traditional or self" debate that it's not one size fits all. I also have enjoyed our conversation...and hope that it has helped people. It may seem like we've fought like cats and dogs, but I've always respected your perspective, and your respect of mine has also shown through. I think it has been a good discussion.
Glad to hear you are liking the books. As for the "authors list" I realize that I'm still a newbie and have to earn my stripes. No worries there...I know I'll make it. I'm loving what I do too much to give up now.
February 23rd, 2012, 07:44 PM #93
The reason the don't use POD is it doesn't fit in the bookstore chain model. Publishers usually use distributors (like Ingram or Baker and Taylor) who warehouse and then ship books to bookstores. They take advantage of largeish print runs that drive down the print costs.
Bookstores don't pay for the books when they arrive in the door. They have terms - ususually 60 or 90 days from delivery to make payment. If ordered books don't sell...then the bookstores ship them back to the warehouse (in the case of trade paperback or hardcover) and in the case of mass market paperbacks, simply strip the covers and return those for credit.
POD doesn't work this way. A book is not produced until there is a buyer for it, and while you can do POD with returns (from say lightning source) bookstores won't order POD books because they would have to pay for them "up front."
The bookstore system is based around essentially "consignment" sales and the POD model - is "pay on delivery.
February 25th, 2012, 10:38 PM #94
February 25th, 2012, 11:08 PM #95
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February 26th, 2012, 04:48 PM #99
There are numerous reasons for them using IPG for e-book distribution. It's a lot cheaper for them to outsource the work. And even if they didn't have their e-books with IPG, if they did their print, which again is highly advantageous for them, then Amazon would have removed the titles in both print and e-book, as they have done now. Even if they're selling direct, all the indie publishers have been at Amazon's mercy for much of the last few years and this sort of thing has happened with lots of the small presses. So the importance of this clash is that if IPG and its publishers can sell through other channels, the Nook and Kobo on down, even after they settle things with Amazon, it does indeed indicate that Amazon's stranglehold on the e-book market for small press and self-pub even is on the way out. It means the considerable expansion of the e-book market, while Amazon will still be a strong player. But they won't be able to do quite as much blackmail as before.
One problem why the collapse of various large bookselling chains for print books (which again were not caused by the e-book market,) is actually starting to work against Amazon is that it has increased publishers' need to get more on-line vendors for print books as retail outlets dry up. Before, it was fairly simple to let Amazon handle the bulk of the on-line sales and then some chunks to Barnes & Noble and Borders, Waterstones, etc. when they came on-line. But now they need more and those on-line sales vendors for print can then usually also do e-books. So the market is spreading out, whereas before, Amazon dominated on-line bookselling for a good decade. This is why Amazon bought companies like Bookpages, Abe Books, Audible.com, and the Book Depository, all of which were making solid inroads into the online retail book marketplace. And a lot of the smaller chains and big independents have had a lot of success selling on-line for print and e-book business. So these battles will eventually improve terms for all publishers and authors coming into the marketplace.
Originally Posted by Carlyle Clark
What we're probably going to end up with in the majority is a limited electronic license where the print editions effect when the e-book license can end, plus a set time period after the print editions are done. Say print on sale plus 5 years, or something like that. However, as the print market changes, then that notion will have to change too. It's going to have to do a lot with PR issues as well. Currently, publishers do things to promote e-book editions, but it's largely part of the overall campaign for the book's launch. If publishers have an e-book edition for sale but they aren't doing any promotion for it, then that may start to become a dividing line contractually on out of print.
Other things that are popping up tech wise that are going to have an effect: hybrid devices that increase even more multi-functionality -- thin laptops where the screen folds back to turn into a large touch tablet, phablets that are smart phones given somewhat larger screens and tablet power and functions, tablets that are compact and have considerably more power and functions than e-reader tablets but are lower priced than iPads and their ilk. Devices are morphing and while the e-reader companies can keep up by expanding their range of devices, it may be that we're going to have a lot of content companies selling the e-books, magazine and newspaper subscriptions, song files, etc. and that's going to have a big impact on the game. Amazon may be able to dominate the e-book market for another five years, especially if Barnes & Noble struggles, but I'm not sure about after that, and globally, there are already Chinese companies and others who are big players in foreign markets. But I do think Amazon will keep growing and flourishing even while not having monopolies because they've positioned themselves well, if kind of ruthlessly.
February 27th, 2012, 11:15 AM #100